Who had the better opponents?

[Max Power]

That can't be completely true. Sander's vs Vitali was a good smash up. Brewster vs Liakovich was undeniably good. Ibragimov vs Whitaker was ok. Samuel PEter had some decent fights. Haye is beautiful to watch most of the time.

On the contrary I think it's mainly against Wladimir that they are forced into the kind of fight that is not fan friendly. I think Wlad would do that to just about any of the shorter opponents that Lennox faced too, even Holyfield probably.

When Wlad fights taller guys like Wach and Thompson he seems to bust out the right hand more often than just the jab. He does not like the shorter guys that try to bull inside. He knows that is the only place they can be effective and knows if he neutralises it, the fight is won (and incidentally doesn't put his famous chin at risk as well).

Personally I do agree with you Fenster, that LEnnox and his opponents did have more watchable fights than Wladimir AND his opponents. There has definitely been a decline there I can see that too. I would say though that one of the big reasons for me though is that it is hard to find HBO or otherwise coverage in English now of the major HW fights.

I don't find Wlad's fights that entertaining compared with Vitali, Lennox, Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield, he is not fan friendly, I'll give you that.

[Silkeyjoe]

That can't be completely true. Sander's vs Vitali was a good smash up. Brewster vs Liakovich was undeniably good. Ibragimov vs Whitaker was ok. Samuel PEter had some decent fights. Haye is beautiful to watch most of the time.

On the contrary I think it's mainly against Wladimir that they are forced into the kind of fight that is not fan friendly. I think Wlad would do that to just about any of the shorter opponents that Lennox faced too, even Holyfield probably.

When Wlad fights taller guys like Wach and Thompson he seems to bust out the right hand more often than just the jab. He does not like the shorter guys that try to bull inside. He knows that is the only place they can be effective and knows if he neutralises it, the fight is won (and incidentally doesn't put his famous chin at risk as well).

Personally I do agree with you Fenster, that LEnnox and his opponents did have more watchable fights than Wladimir AND his opponents. There has definitely been a decline there I can see that too. I would say though that one of the big reasons for me though is that it is hard to find HBO or otherwise coverage in English now of the major HW fights.

I don't find Wlad's fights that entertaining compared with Vitali, Lennox, Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield, he is not fan friendly, I'll give you that.

Apart from Chisora, all of Hayes heavyweight fights have been shite

[bradlee180]

5 fights in 5 years. Unfortunately, Haye has ultimately proven to be a disappointment at Heavyweight in the ring.
2009 - Nikolay Valuev
2010 - John Ruiz, Audley Harrison.
2011 - Wladimir Klitschko
2012 - Dereck Chisora
2013 - --------

Coming out of the gate at Heavyweight in late 2008, it looked like he'd infuse some real action and public interest in an otherwise uninteresting Heavyweight scene. Alas, that hasn't turned out to be the case.

Haye ain't the only inactive top guy though, mayweather too and several others, you'd think top pro fighters would try to make the most of their athletic primes and cash in as much as they can while they're physically able to. Most guys only get about 5 years where they put it all together...

[Max Power]

That is unfortunate Bradlee I do agree.

It is NOT a reflection on the quality of them as boxers.

But it is a reflection that they are there for the title only (Floyd has them, Haye is only interested in fighting when it's for one of them) and they are there for the money (both are wealthy and so don't care to risk or put forth effort for anything less than a belt like Haye, or to prove undeniably they are the greatest like Floyd ducking Pac.

It sucks. They're scum for it and THIS is a MAJOR problem in modern professional boxing! I agree with that.

Haye DID let us all down. Fact!

[bradlee180]

That is unfortunate Bradlee I do agree.

It is NOT a reflection on the quality of them as boxers.

What's unfortunate is that your posts are a reflection of either your particular level of mental retardation or your trolling abilities. It's one or the other. Sometimes when I read your nonsense, I say to myself, "Self, this guy's obviously just trolling 'cause nobody could really be that dumb!" But then again, I KNOW from personal experience that there really are many, many people on this planet that really are that dumb! I'm leaning more towards you being a troll, though not a particularly good one. You're certainly no Donny!