London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians

[ryanman]

It won't be. Stop believing Nigel Farage Brock!

[Gandalf]

I agree with Farage, though obviously not every person in those countries will go to the UK. What he is saying is that the opportunities for uncontrolled immigration are there and shouldn't be. If you are from a poor country then of course you would take advantage of a country like the UK. Just look at the supposed official figures. Every year you have the number coming in being about 200,000 more than those going out and how many of them are going to go on and become British citizen's, give birth, send children to school not speaking English well enough to handle schoolwork, using the welfare state etc? In reality the numbers are probably much higher.

The numbers are outrageous really, but if you criticise it then you are labelled a zealot, a xenophobe, etc. The people leaving the UK are typically Brits who have given up and of course the numbers are fewer as those English people are not free to ship in entire families as the places they go to such as Australia take these things more seriously and rightly so.

Uncontrolled immigration drives down wages, burdens the welfare state, forces property prices to rise, and those people are more likely to give birth and thus you end up with places like Bradford where there are seemingly no ethnic English people. Go to a hotel in London and you are seldom ever going to meet an English person. It's bizarre.

Immigration should only be for people who can provide a skill that the country cannot provide. Otherwise, if you can find any native person to clean the toilets, then you should think about paying a suitable amount. You don't expect governments to just open up borders and allow markets to 'correct' themselves with an influx of cheap labour.

File:UK net migration.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Andre]

I agree with Farage, though obviously not every person in those countries will go to the UK. What he is saying is that the opportunities for uncontrolled immigration are there and shouldn't be. If you are from a poor country then of course you would take advantage of a country like the UK. Just look at the supposed official figures. Every year you have the number coming in being about 200,000 more than those going out and how many of them are going to go on and become British citizen's, give birth, send children to school not speaking English well enough to handle schoolwork, using the welfare state etc? In reality the numbers are probably much higher.

The numbers are outrageous really, but if you criticise it then you are labelled a zealot, a xenophobe, etc. The people leaving the UK are typically Brits who have given up and of course the numbers are fewer as those English people are not free to ship in entire families as the places they go to such as Australia take these things more seriously and rightly so.

Uncontrolled immigration drives down wages, burdens the welfare state, forces property prices to rise, and those people are more likely to give birth and thus you end up with places like Bradford where there are seemingly no ethnic English people. Go to a hotel in London and you are seldom ever going to meet an English person. It's bizarre.

Immigration should only be for people who can provide a skill that the country cannot provide. Otherwise, if you can find any native person to clean the toilets, then you should think about paying a suitable amount. You don't expect governments to just open up borders and allow markets to 'correct' themselves with an influx of cheap labour.

File:UK net migration.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That chart towrds the end shows as many jumping ship as there are getting on. Wonder if that trend will keep up? I can imagine who are jumping ship (the ones who are caught in the middle ground and can afford to leave). If you are mega rich you are un effected in your secure set up, if you are poor you can do nothing about sharing your situation with all new comers.

I am right to expect the gap will grow between the extremes by the middle class bailing out on you, or is this gap what they are trying to fill by opening your doors to further immigration from these areas?

Or are we talking straight trade offs in other financial areas here?

Theres a lot to this, I only learnt last night that Australia feeds triple its own population in food exports, you havent that kind of set up, so I wonder what the effects will be on your over all state of affairs in imports feeding a few more million?

I imagine your services will be stretched to their limits and more cuts to funding will arise if the wrong people are let in?
@ryanman , Really what Im asking here; is there a smart reason Im missing as to why they are opening the doors to England? Or is this stuff he is shown saying in front of Parliament just not true?

[Gandalf]

I agree with Farage, though obviously not every person in those countries will go to the UK. What he is saying is that the opportunities for uncontrolled immigration are there and shouldn't be. If you are from a poor country then of course you would take advantage of a country like the UK. Just look at the supposed official figures. Every year you have the number coming in being about 200,000 more than those going out and how many of them are going to go on and become British citizen's, give birth, send children to school not speaking English well enough to handle schoolwork, using the welfare state etc? In reality the numbers are probably much higher.

The numbers are outrageous really, but if you criticise it then you are labelled a zealot, a xenophobe, etc. The people leaving the UK are typically Brits who have given up and of course the numbers are fewer as those English people are not free to ship in entire families as the places they go to such as Australia take these things more seriously and rightly so.

Uncontrolled immigration drives down wages, burdens the welfare state, forces property prices to rise, and those people are more likely to give birth and thus you end up with places like Bradford where there are seemingly no ethnic English people. Go to a hotel in London and you are seldom ever going to meet an English person. It's bizarre.

Immigration should only be for people who can provide a skill that the country cannot provide. Otherwise, if you can find any native person to clean the toilets, then you should think about paying a suitable amount. You don't expect governments to just open up borders and allow markets to 'correct' themselves with an influx of cheap labour.

File:UK net migration.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That chart towrds the end shows as many jumping ship as there are getting on. Wonder if that trend will keep up? I can imagine who are jumping ship (the ones who are caught in the middle ground and can afford to leave). If you are mega rich you are un effected in your secure set up, if you are poor you can do nothing about sharing your situation with all new comers.

I am right to expect the gap will grow between the extremes by the middle class bailing out on you, or is this gap what they are trying to fill by opening your doors to further immigration from these areas?

Or are we talking straight trade offs in other financial areas here?

Theres a lot to this, I only learnt last night that Australia feeds triple its own population in food exports, you havent that kind of set up, so I wonder what the effects will be on your over all state of affairs in imports feeding a few more million?

I imagine your services will be stretched to their limits and more cuts to funding will arise if the wrong people are let in?
@ryanman , Really what Im asking here; is there a smart reason Im missing as to why they are opening the doors to England? Or is this stuff he is shown saying in front of Parliament just not true?

There are a fair few leaving, but year on year the numbers coming in are typically hundreds of thousands more. In reality, the government has no idea how many people have truly come and gone. There are no actual checks done on this, so realistically you would have to assume the numbers are much worse than what the government will ever let on.

You make a valid point in that those native people who leave will include people who can afford to leave permanently. Maybe older people looking for somewhere warmer, maybe some of them are those who are from overseas, but have left again, others will be educated English leaving for work overseas. Year on year though, you see the numbers coming in to be far greater than those going out and of course most countries do not have porous borders like the UK. So on that basis you would have to assume middle class people who have planned for the future and educated English natives are a fair proportion of those who are leaving.

The reasons for the unchecked immigration are not entirely explained by the consecutive governments who simply refuse to deal in frankness. One possible reason is that Labour wanted working class people to flood the electorate in order to guarantee reelection as they will typically lean towards Labour, another obvious reason is the EU free trade of labour, the other possible reason was likely to allow smaller businesses an adundance of cheap labour.

The middle classes have not really been bailing out as they were being sunk before any of this became recognised as a serious societal problem. The 1980's saw unions being dismantled and the country becoming privatised. Then the lie of globalisation became the mantra and factories relocated overseas, to plug the gap at home labour markets were largely opened up.

Personally, I think the entire issue is cynical and was calculated. Britain is a corporatist country and if poor Polish people will do the work for less, then any normal business man will utilise that. After all business is money and little more. The wealth continued to be funneled upwards, and with the global depression, the final excuse to batter ordinary people was in place. 'We are all in it together' was the mantra. Britain literally is a place where they are all in it together and still they are being crammed in. The rich are either barricaded or own several homes to be rented to plebs at extortionate rates and still see the value go up 3 times faster than average wage increases.

Rents are unaffordable in the UK and young people will never own a home. Interestingly enough 75% of all new homes in the UK are bought by foreigners. The country is being eaten alive. If I was a football player earning 150,000 pounds a week, I could buy a house every two weeks, rent them out, and be raking in the money. It doesn't take many rich foreigners to entirely warp a country. From rich to poor, the country has been sold to foreigners.

But hush, one mustn't appear to be criticising the masterplan. Recently the UK media had an 'immigration week' push. Really, a very cynical thing all things considered.

[Dark Lord Al]

He gets my vote , why let peasants into your country to rape it ?

[ryanman]

He gets my vote , why let peasants into your country to rape it ?

God help us then. Farage is a joke.

We don't have much net immigration in fact, but hey don't let facts spoil a firmly held opinion.
The Poles for instance are leaving faster than they are coming. Also, surveys have shown that only a small number of Romanians and Bulgarians are planning to migrate, and that of those Britain is only the 4th choice destination after Spain, France and Italy.

[Dark Lord Al]

He gets my vote , why let peasants into your country to rape it ?

God help us then. Farage is a joke.

We don't have much net immigration in fact, but hey don't let facts spoil a firmly held opinion.
The Poles for instance are leaving faster than they are coming. Also, surveys have shown that only a small number of Romanians and Bulgarians are planning to migrate, and that of those Britain is only the 4th choice destination after Spain, France and Italy.

Please explain that country with a dole queue , that is in a very bad way , needs uneducated people from large families from Africa and Eastern Europe?