What does boxing do after Mayweather retires?

[bradlee180]

Nobody's bigger than the sport. Nobody.
And it's a world-sport. The sport moves on. Time does its thing as huge Draws become shadows in time...

Someone new comes along, electrifying the masses.
Someone always does.




That's Boxing...

[bradlee180]

Mayweather only became a Draw known to the mainstream public in 2007, and from then to now is a small blip in the long, glorious, whorish history of Prizefighting since 1867 when gloved Boxing under Marquess of Queensberry rules came into effect, gradually supplanting Bareknuckes under London Prize Ring Rules by 1892.


No Boxer gets very long to make his mark in the sport...

Pacquiao's a much more widely-known global figure.
Some fighters are much more than just fighters, they are symbols for say human rights or some other cause. They're rare. Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Dempsey. Pacquiao is one of them. The boxers that are remembered are the ones that transcend the sport.

[zhubin]

Mayweather only became a Draw known to the mainstream public in 2007, and from then to now is a small blip in the long, glorious, whorish history of Prizefighting since 1867 when gloved Boxing under Marquess of Queensberry rules came into effect, gradually supplanting Bareknuckes under London Prize Ring Rules by 1892.


No Boxer gets very long to make his mark in the sport...

Pacquiao's a much more widely-known global figure.
Some fighters are much more than just fighters, they are symbols for say human rights or some other cause. They're rare. Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Dempsey. Pacquiao is one of them. The boxers that are remembered are the ones that transcend the sport.

I think it's ludicrous that you would mention Pac in the same breath as an Ali or Louis...in terms of transcending the sport.

[smashup]

Baffles me the fight game!!!
It was only a few months ago that Floyd became the richest and highest earning althete in history

[Tam Seddon]

It baffles me that kids want to go to a gym and learn how to hug each other on the floor. Next level boring if you ask me. Nothing is ever going to be as exciting as 12x3 min championship rounds of boxing. Glory k1 is something new and very exciting though, k1 is miles better than MMA. This is a short video of Tyrone Spong in an amazing 30 secs of action. http://youtu.be/JRkQZfw9DSI

Holyfield was at the last glory show and he was very impressed with the action on show.

[Beanflicker]

It baffles me that kids want to go to a gym and learn how to hug each other on the floor. Next level boring if you ask me. Nothing is ever going to be as exciting as 12x3 min championship rounds of boxing. Glory k1 is something new and very exciting though, k1 is miles better than MMA. This is a short video of Tyrone Spong in an amazing 30 secs of action. Michael Duut vs Tyrone Spong round 1 Glory 9 - YouTube
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Tyrone Spong actively trains and competes in MMA.

Back in the day, kickboxers would switch to boxing because they could make a lot more money and get more recognition.

Now they're going to MMA.

[Tam Seddon]

It baffles me that kids want to go to a gym and learn how to hug each other on the floor. Next level boring if you ask me. Nothing is ever going to be as exciting as 12x3 min championship rounds of boxing. Glory k1 is something new and very exciting though, k1 is miles better than MMA. This is a short video of Tyrone Spong in an amazing 30 secs of action. Michael Duut vs Tyrone Spong round 1 Glory 9 - YouTube
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Tyrone Spong actively trains and competes in MMA.

Back in the day, kickboxers would switch to boxing because they could make a lot more money and get more recognition.

Now they're going to MMA.

I know he does but he's had a hell of a lot of kickboxing fights. Glory is getting really big though and is growing in popularity all of the time. I'd prefer to watch that over MMA.

[ykdadamaja]

It baffles me that kids want to go to a gym and learn how to hug each other on the floor. Next level boring if you ask me. Nothing is ever going to be as exciting as 12x3 min championship rounds of boxing. Glory k1 is something new and very exciting though, k1 is miles better than MMA. This is a short video of Tyrone Spong in an amazing 30 secs of action. Michael Duut vs Tyrone Spong round 1 Glory 9 - YouTube
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Tyrone Spong actively trains and competes in MMA.

Back in the day, kickboxers would switch to boxing because they could make a lot more money and get more recognition.

Now they're going to MMA.

They said that MMA Light-heavyweight Chael Sonnen made $6 mil for his last fight against Jon Jones. $6 mil for an MMA fight is really good money.

[Beanflicker]

I'm disappointed that so many people here are that niave to think Floyd leaving the sport is a good thing, or will have no impact on boxing. It's EXTREMELY short-sighted.

During Floyd's time with HBO, his PPV's generated nearly 10 million buys and well over half a billion dollars in revenue. Floyd makes a lot of money for himself, but he also generates a lot of money that goes DIRECTLY back into boxing. Because HBO (and now Showtime) and GBP can make a gaurenteed fortune off of a Mayweather PPV, that gives them the capital to put off other boxing shows. It gives them the ability to invest in trying to create new stars. It stands to reason that the more money that a company generates, the more room it has to produce and expand. Floyd is the biggest cash generator in the history of boxing. The revenue generated by Floyd made it possible for other fighters to be paid and featured on GBP cards.

Right now it's hard enough to even find a boxer outside of Floyd and Pacquiao that's PPV worthy, let alone a guy who can generate over 2 MILLION PPV BUYS like he did with Canelo. And Pac's fight with Rios only did 500k, so he's lost a lot of steam himself with the JMM KO.

So where is the revenue going to come from after Floyd is gone? JMM/bradley did around 300k I think. Even when Floyd fought an opponent nobody gave a fuck about in Guerrero, he reached 1 million.

With no real large draws left, don't be surprised to see TV networks and boxing promotions tightening their belts in regards to the number of shows put on and the purses of the boxers.

[ykdadamaja]

I'm disappointed that so many people here are that niave to think Floyd leaving the sport is a good thing, or will have no impact on boxing. It's EXTREMELY short-sighted.

During Floyd's time with HBO, his PPV's generated nearly 10 million buys and well over half a billion dollars in revenue. Floyd makes a lot of money for himself, but he also generates a lot of money that goes DIRECTLY back into boxing. Because HBO (and now Showtime) and GBP can make a gaurenteed fortune off of a Mayweather PPV, that gives them the capital to put off other boxing shows. It gives them the ability to invest in trying to create new stars. It stands to reason that the more money that a company generates, the more room it has to produce and expand. Floyd is the biggest cash generator in the history of boxing. The revenue generated by Floyd made it possible for other fighters to be paid and featured on GBP cards.

Right now it's hard enough to even find a boxer outside of Floyd and Pacquiao that's PPV worthy, let alone a guy who can generate over 2 MILLION PPV BUYS like he did with Canelo. And Pac's fight with Rios only did 500k, so he's lost a lot of steam himself with the JMM KO.

So where is the revenue going to come from after Floyd is gone? JMM/bradley did around 300k I think. Even when Floyd fought an opponent nobody gave a fuck about in Guerrero, he reached 1 million.

With no real large draws left, don't be surprised to see TV networks and boxing promotions tightening their belts in regards to the number of shows put on and the purses of the boxers.

... and the money Mayweather generated went towards helping HBO and Showtime finance other fighters more comfortably.

A lot of fighters were put in the spotlight due to being on a Mayweather card. Broner is a prime example of how Mayweather can put someone on, someone with good talent, but not spectacular above everyone else.

[El Kabong]

As small as boxing has gotten in the US boxers still make tons of money and there are still gigantic fights happening in the US. Granted Mayweather is a big part of that but before him there were stars and since those stars have faded others have come around.

One has to look no further than Eastern Europe to see boxing's future. Tens of thousands attending fights, millions watching on TV, boxing is still strong but it's changing.


The Americans will once again produce great fighters for the simple reason that we HAVE to. Also with brain damage becoming a bigger deal in football and other contact sports boxing will no doubt get more participants because it's no longer the worst sport for your brain.

[IamInuit]

I think it will be one of the best things that ever happened to boxing and on multiple levels.

[Beanflicker]

Nobody's bigger than the sport. Nobody.
And it's a world-sport. The sport moves on. Time does its thing as huge Draws become shadows in time...

Someone new comes along, electrifying the masses.
Someone always does.


That's Boxing...

There are a lot of guys bigger than boxing, because boxing as a sport isn't very big on it's own. Muhammad Ali is bigger than the sport of boxing, as is Ray Leonard, Mike Tyson, George Foreman, De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, and Manny Pacquiao. These guys carried the bloated corpse of boxing on their shoulders.

Boxing NEEDS these big draws to keep the money coming in. Boxing doesn't sell itself. And with the popularity surge of the UFC and MMA, it's starting to face new challenges.

The boxer is no longer considered the baddest man on the planet. That honor goes to the UFC champion. And with that downgrade in prestige, a lot of young kids who are potential future boxing greats are stepping into their local MMA gym instead of their local boxing gym, because they want to be Anderson Silva or Jon Jones instead of Andre Ward or GGG.

[Fenster]

Nobody's bigger than the sport. Nobody.
And it's a world-sport. The sport moves on. Time does its thing as huge Draws become shadows in time...

Someone new comes along, electrifying the masses.
Someone always does.


That's Boxing...

There are a lot of guys bigger than boxing, because boxing as a sport isn't very big on it's own. Muhammad Ali is bigger than the sport of boxing, as is Ray Leonard, Mike Tyson, George Foreman, De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, and Manny Pacquiao. These guys carried the bloated corpse of boxing on their shoulders.

Boxing NEEDS these big draws to keep the money coming in. Boxing doesn't sell itself. And with the popularity surge of the UFC and MMA, it's starting to face new challenges.

The boxer is no longer considered the baddest man on the planet. That honor goes to the UFC champion. And with that downgrade in prestige, a lot of young kids who are potential future boxing greats are stepping into their local MMA gym instead of their local boxing gym, because they want to be Anderson Silva or Jon Jones instead of Andre Ward or GGG.

100 years ago "boxing is dead" was being reported. You can trace the same articles throughout history.

When you, and everyone else on this forum, are long dead boxing will still be going. They'll just be a load of other nerds that have taken our place.

[Beanflicker]

100 years ago "boxing is dead" was being reported. You can trace the same articles throughout history.

When you, and everyone else on this forum, are long dead boxing will still be going. They'll just be a load of other nerds that have taken our place.

I'm not saying boxing is going to die. I know it will always be around in some capacity. My worry is how relevant it's going to be in the future.

Boxing has never had any direct competition before. It's had other sports and other forms of media to compete with for the public's attention, but it's never had another combat sport to compete with it. Kickboxing was supposed to kill it in the 80's, but it never took off like people thought it would.

MMA has dethroned boxing as the premiere combat sport. That's just the facts. And I can only see the distance between MMA and boxing widening as big stars like Floyd, Pac, Cotto, ect retire.