Joe Louis has the best record in HW world title fights... Right? Wrong!

[Max Power]

As a matter of fact Rocco, I presented facts, THE facts, that aren't changed and you couldn't handle them.

I did give up on trying to educate you, long ago.

But for some reason you keep popping up out of the woodwork for more and you can throw abuse all you want but at the end of the day... These so called "fat fucks" are still gonna kick your favourites asses!

By the way I'm married and have 1 month til the birth of my first child, going to be called by coincidence... Max! =P

So you should only have to put up with adversity for the next month then I'll be too busy to be argue and you can go back to your little fantasy land where Louis beats up todays HW division. But until then... He's a great champion in an ancient era.

[powerpuncher]

As a matter of fact Rocco, I presented facts, THE facts, that aren't changed and you couldn't handle them.

I did give up on trying to educate you, long ago.

But for some reason you keep popping up out of the woodwork for more and you can throw abuse all you want but at the end of the day... These so called "fat fucks" are still gonna kick your favourites asses!

By the way I'm married and have 1 month til the birth of my first child, going to be called by coincidence... Max! =P

So you should only have to put up with adversity for the next month then I'll be too busy to be argue and you can go back to your little fantasy land where Louis beats up todays HW division. But until then... He's a great champion in an ancient era.

i feel like you have presented some facts but your last few posts have just been random ranting about you knowing better than everybody with absolutely no facts. you said that you have talked to a lot of people who know boxing that would agree with you. i will tell you that i have not talked to anybody who knows boxing that would agree with you and thats a fact. that means that i have to just trust your word that your friends (or whoever you are talking to) know a lot about boxing and its history and also agree with you. its hard to trust that when i havent met anyone with your opinions. maybe you hang out with people like you though.

like i keep saying, if you cant trust "experts" or historians then i dont know what to tell you. they, along with many other people including myself, have seen many old fights and can clearly see that someone like joe louis was great and that david haye is just good. for example, if you watch 5 joe louis fights and 5 haye fights, i guarantee you that anybody who really knows boxing will be able to easily observe that louis has way more skill set than haye.

and did you live in the 30's? you are just assuming that people like galento and schmelling are bad boxers? schmelling was actually a very good fighter. galento was fat but wasnt as bad as most people think. he was actually very athletic and strong. he just didnt train hard. kind of like a lot of HWs today. the difference is that galento wasnt considered a top fighter like arreola.

[brocktonblockbust]

Joe Louis---26 consecutive title defenses. Holy Fuck!

cut the cock off of anyone who talks shit about The Bomber.

[Max Power]

What constitutes an "expert" to you? Many of us box, have boxed, train boxing, watch boxing, know boxing and analyse it all the time so aren't we the "experts".

It pisses me off when guys like you turn away from true facts to bring up a statement issued by a guy in a position of authority to support your argument when that statement in the first place was not backed up with anything solid to start.

At the end of the day perspectives are perspectives. But facts are also facts.
Where do you live? I know that nobody in their right bloody mind around any of the gyms in Adelaide SA thinks that Joe Louis would be anything but a punch bag in the modern HW division. They call him as I do a great champion in his day, who might do alright at CW today if he was modern trained.

It is easy to point out on film how lacking Louis is really compared to Haye. If I hadn't done this already many times I wouldn't be so confident about it.

And here you go again, comparing Galento to Arreola! Why cause Arreola was a bit fat too? He was never as fat as Galento and Galento not only didn't train, he drank a gallon of grog before his fights. Arreola is considered a top fighter because he IS a great fighter. Galento was pathetic, just fat and strong and nothing else and the fact that he was a top fighter in the 30's is ABSOLUTE PROOF AGAIN that the Louis era was a vey weak era!

Basically today, you are unable to be a bum and sub200lbs are forbidden..

The further you go back in time, the lighter the opponents get and the more bums are prevalent.

The 70's was about the point where the division was about half HW and half CW. And half the guys were bums.

Previous eras to that like Louis's were cruiser divisions MAINLY and were riddled with bums mainly!

And this can be shown statistically in the records. Is becoming the general consensus abroad. And in my opinion is supported by the film evidence (empirical) as well as the other forms. It is a fact!

[bradlee180]

What constitutes an "expert" to you?

Well, it's not you anyway, that's for damn sure!

[Max Power]

I think I make thoroughly reasonable assessments based on many forms of evidence and completely free of nationalist, racist, authoritarian and nostalgic bias. The 4 "evils" of boxing... sport... science.. and anything in life in general really.

I think that puts me on the playing field as much as any self-proclaimed "expert".

Most of these "experts" who make claims like "the modern HW division is weak" or "current boxers lack skills, are fat and out of shape" are not just flat out wrong or lying, they are guys who do not have to stand up against these guys in the ring... And fight them!

[powerpuncher]

I think I make thoroughly reasonable assessments based on many forms of evidence and completely free of nationalist, racist, authoritarian and nostalgic bias. The 4 "evils" of boxing... sport... science.. and anything in life in general really.

I think that puts me on the playing field as much as any self-proclaimed "expert".

Most of these "experts" who make claims like "the modern HW division is weak" or "current boxers lack skills, are fat and out of shape" are not just flat out wrong or lying, they are guys who do not have to stand up against these guys in the ring... And fight them!

thats exactly right. we all had a meeting without you and made a pact that we would lie about boxers from the past being good. and no, you are not in the playing field of people who have watched old fights live and have trained for many years at a high level. that is just an ignorant and arrogant statement.