London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians

[Dark Lord Al]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

[brocktonblockbust]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

[ryanman]

Just as a point of interest for now but here is a link to the full report I made reference to earlier regarding national identities of illegal immigrants in the UK.

http://www.official-documents.gov.uk.../7197/7197.pdf

I only post it as an aside to the issue being discussed regarding legal EU migrants.


Thats a 100 odd pages so noone will read it, so here is a summary article

UK Indymedia - Most illegal migrants likely to be white




A couple of lines from it -

"Long-stay immigrants into the UK from Poland, India and China are outnumbered by Germans, South Africans, North Americans, people from the white Commonwealth and returning Britons.

Official figures show that of the top ten migrant countries in 2008, 137,000 were from the first group and 152,000 from the second group.

There is no debate in the media, among politicians and among the public concerning North Americans and the white Commonwealth.

The fact that they ‘take jobs’ in the UK does not feature as an issue among those who are most concerned about immigration.

The anti-immigration campaign group Migration Watch and UKIP create fear about immigration numbers and fail to point out that immigrants include people from Australia, US, New Zealand and others.

In terms of all visitors and migrants into the UK, the report states: ‘Citizens of the United States of America (USA) comprised 32 per cent of total non-EEA admissions, the nationality with by far the most admissions, representing an increase of 6 per cent to 4.1 million in 2006. The next three nationalities with the highest numbers of admissions were Australia (up 8 per cent to 1.1 million), Canada (up 11 per cent to 1.0 million) and India (up 23 per cent to 0.8 million).’

It is likely that most illegal immigrants are from North America and white Commonwealth countries".



As I say, just an aside, but quite a pointed one. The truth of immigration in the UK is not fairly reflected in media spin, government policies or public attitudes.

[ryanman]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

If laws are being broken I would suggest dealing with them accordingly. Lawlessness is lawlessness.

[Dark Lord Al]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

If laws are being broken I would suggest dealing with them accordingly. Lawlessness is lawlessness.

I'm repeat to you and beans , for example the ones in park lane where sent home at cost to the taxpayer , within months the same people returned , so what do you think we should do with them ?
They are not the only ones.
Answer the question.

[ryanman]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

If laws are being broken I would suggest dealing with them accordingly. Lawlessness is lawlessness.

I'm repeat to you and beans , for example the ones in park lane where sent home at cost to the taxpayer , within months the same people returned , so what do you think we should do with them ?
They are not the only ones.
Answer the question.

Ask them to move. If they don't then forcibly move them. What do you suggest Al?

[Dark Lord Al]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

If laws are being broken I would suggest dealing with them accordingly. Lawlessness is lawlessness.

I'm repeat to you and beans , for example the ones in park lane where sent home at cost to the taxpayer , within months the same people returned , so what do you think we should do with them ?
They are not the only ones.
Answer the question.

Ask them to move. If they don't then forcibly move them. What do you suggest Al?

You kind of miss the point of my question , you and beans are ok with the freedom to roam policy , these people have been removed at a cost , and have returned , they have no housing etc , so I ask someone who has tried to contradict my point of view , by asking you what would you do with these people.

[ryanman]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

If laws are being broken I would suggest dealing with them accordingly. Lawlessness is lawlessness.

I'm repeat to you and beans , for example the ones in park lane where sent home at cost to the taxpayer , within months the same people returned , so what do you think we should do with them ?
They are not the only ones.
Answer the question.

Ask them to move. If they don't then forcibly move them. What do you suggest Al?

You kind of miss the point of my question , you and beans are ok with the freedom to roam policy , these people have been removed at a cost , and have returned , they have no housing etc , so I ask someone who has tried to contradict my point of view , by asking you what would you do with these people.

Sorry if I'm being a little slow here. I really am trying to answer. If we are talking about them as currently illegal immigrants then I would remove them from the park and then deal with them through that process. If we are talking hypothetically like they are full EU nationals and thus allowed legally allowed to remain in the country I would deal with them in the same way that I would anybody. Remove, arrest, imprision if it came to that.
What is the alternative? What am I missing? As far as I can see the only way to deal with them outside the rule of our current laws is to withdraw from the EU.

[Gandalf]

I've never really taken issue with your argument with the view that most illegal immigrants are those from 'white' countries. However, as I said before, it is a serious issue, and they should be kicked out. My own stance is largely on legal EU migration which largely means the labour of poor countries taking advantage of opportunities in better paying countries. That is simply not a reciprocal situation. The EU is enshrined in law and that is just as much a problem if not more simply because of the numbers involved.

The former situation is a matter that disappoints me as Britain has in essence become a police state and yet has all this time been unable to control its borders when it comes to illegal migrants? That is shameful. They will question anyone who is not white though and my own wife can attest to that. My second view on EU migration is simply that it is opportunistic and designed to support business owners. Growth is a negative when it means flooding labour markets with labour.

I don't think most English people are lazy or stupid, many are, but most are not. They will work if they are being treated accordingly. I also think there is massive propaganda in the schooling system to promote globalisation, eradicate fiscal responsibility, and to generally dumb down. Of course to attack globalisation, promote fiscal responsibility, and to smarten up, would be dangerous for people in power. Thus people fritter away money and can't afford to live, pay for degrees in social sciences, get in debt, and accept that foreigners can take your country from top to bottom. They have no recourse, they are not mobile and when people say 'But more British people claim benefits', well no shit Sherlock. They are defunct.

[Beanz]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

[Dark Lord Al]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

Beans answer my question regarding what you do with people living in parks?
Also how many employees , hire a worker with no fixed abode?

[Beanz]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

Beans answer my question regarding what you do with people living in parks?
Also how many employees , hire a worker with no fixed abode?

Why should I answer your question? apparently I am just a peasant what would I know ? Your aggressive tone does you no favours.

Stop discriminating against people and treating them like shit. Give them equal access to education, housing and employment and if they refuse to contribute to society and insist on breaking the law then use the law of the country that they break the law in to punish them. This is common sense. Nobody is suggesting that illegal migration or begging are in any way comparable to the migration of legal workers but yourself ,Miles, Nigel and Brockton.

[Dark Lord Al]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

Beans answer my question regarding what you do with people living in parks?
Also how many employees , hire a worker with no fixed abode?

Why should I answer your question? apparently I am just a peasant what would I know ? Your aggressive tone does you no favours.

Stop discriminating against people and treating them like shit. Give them equal access to education, housing and employment and if they refuse to contribute to society and insist on breaking the law then use the law of the country that they break the law in to punish them. This is common sense. Nobody is suggesting that illegal migration or begging are in any way comparable to the migration of legal workers but yourself ,Miles, Nigel and Brockton.

Firstly I didn't say you are a peasant , I don't think that either by the way.
However I fail to see how we can give housing and education and healthcare to people who are from poorer countries when our own financial state is in a terrible condition.
You can't honestly believe that all the people who are going to flood in are going to be educated with money to buy houses, that's my point we can't sustain a mass of people coming here , because if we don't have the housing then what the hell are we going to do?
I'm sorry if I'm not comfortable giving away taxpayers money to people who I don't feel deserve it.
I am also sorry if I have offended you , it is difficult to get your exact view across via text alone , so apologies Beanz if you felt I was directly attacking you because that was never even in my mind.

[ryanman]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

Beans answer my question regarding what you do with people living in parks?
Also how many employees , hire a worker with no fixed abode?

Why should I answer your question? apparently I am just a peasant what would I know ? Your aggressive tone does you no favours.

Stop discriminating against people and treating them like shit. Give them equal access to education, housing and employment and if they refuse to contribute to society and insist on breaking the law then use the law of the country that they break the law in to punish them. This is common sense. Nobody is suggesting that illegal migration or begging are in any way comparable to the migration of legal workers but yourself ,Miles, Nigel and Brockton.

Firstly I didn't say you are a peasant , I don't think that either by the way.
However I fail to see how we can give housing and education and healthcare to people who are from poorer countries when our own financial state is in a terrible condition.
You can't honestly believe that all the people who are going to flood in are going to be educated with money to buy houses, that's my point we can't sustain a mass of people coming here , because if we don't have the housing then what the hell are we going to do?
I'm sorry if I'm not comfortable giving away taxpayers money to people who I don't feel deserve it.
I am also sorry if I have offended you , it is difficult to get your exact view across via text alone , so apologies Beanz if you felt I was directly attacking you because that was never even in my mind.

Al it's understandable that you would have concerns. But honestly I don't think we'll have a flood of migrants coming over with their hands out. If I'm proven wrong then that will be sad for the country and the people coming over, but I really don't think it will have any meaningful negative impact on the lives of those of us already here. Let's look back in a year or two and I'm confident we'll see Farage's words as nothing more than fear mongering.
Some Romanians and Bulgarians will leave their countries. Most will head to Italy, France and Spain. Some will head to the UK. Of those many will bring skills and walk into jobs, others will be unskilled and take the unskilled jobs that are currently available that are not being taken by those currently in the dole queue. Some will claim benefits with a view to getting a job, and a very small number might claim benefits as a lifestyle choice (why you'd travel across Europe for that I'm not sure though!). Overall, I believe that the positive effect of the stimulus provided by new workers will pay for any additional benefits given out.

Also, even if its break even effect it's worth it in my opinion to live in an open, tolerant and decent society where people have compassion for fellow man.

[Beanz]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

Beans answer my question regarding what you do with people living in parks?
Also how many employees , hire a worker with no fixed abode?

Why should I answer your question? apparently I am just a peasant what would I know ? Your aggressive tone does you no favours.

Stop discriminating against people and treating them like shit. Give them equal access to education, housing and employment and if they refuse to contribute to society and insist on breaking the law then use the law of the country that they break the law in to punish them. This is common sense. Nobody is suggesting that illegal migration or begging are in any way comparable to the migration of legal workers but yourself ,Miles, Nigel and Brockton.

Firstly I didn't say you are a peasant , I don't think that either by the way.
However I fail to see how we can give housing and education and healthcare to people who are from poorer countries when our own financial state is in a terrible condition.
You can't honestly believe that all the people who are going to flood in are going to be educated with money to buy houses, that's my point we can't sustain a mass of people coming here , because if we don't have the housing then what the hell are we going to do?
I'm sorry if I'm not comfortable giving away taxpayers money to people who I don't feel deserve it.
I am also sorry if I have offended you , it is difficult to get your exact view across via text alone , so apologies Beanz if you felt I was directly attacking you because that was never even in my mind.

I am sorry if I took what you said the wrong way and I accept your apology and offer mine for any offence caused. No I do not believe people should be able to come here and claim benefits with no intention of working either but unless we leave the EU we can not have different rules for Romania and Bulgaria simply because they have Romani Gypsies as part of their population.