London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians

[Beanz]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

[Dark Lord Al]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

Beans answer my question regarding what you do with people living in parks?
Also how many employees , hire a worker with no fixed abode?

[Beanz]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

Beans answer my question regarding what you do with people living in parks?
Also how many employees , hire a worker with no fixed abode?

Why should I answer your question? apparently I am just a peasant what would I know ? Your aggressive tone does you no favours.

Stop discriminating against people and treating them like shit. Give them equal access to education, housing and employment and if they refuse to contribute to society and insist on breaking the law then use the law of the country that they break the law in to punish them. This is common sense. Nobody is suggesting that illegal migration or begging are in any way comparable to the migration of legal workers but yourself ,Miles, Nigel and Brockton.

[Dark Lord Al]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

Beans answer my question regarding what you do with people living in parks?
Also how many employees , hire a worker with no fixed abode?

Why should I answer your question? apparently I am just a peasant what would I know ? Your aggressive tone does you no favours.

Stop discriminating against people and treating them like shit. Give them equal access to education, housing and employment and if they refuse to contribute to society and insist on breaking the law then use the law of the country that they break the law in to punish them. This is common sense. Nobody is suggesting that illegal migration or begging are in any way comparable to the migration of legal workers but yourself ,Miles, Nigel and Brockton.

Firstly I didn't say you are a peasant , I don't think that either by the way.
However I fail to see how we can give housing and education and healthcare to people who are from poorer countries when our own financial state is in a terrible condition.
You can't honestly believe that all the people who are going to flood in are going to be educated with money to buy houses, that's my point we can't sustain a mass of people coming here , because if we don't have the housing then what the hell are we going to do?
I'm sorry if I'm not comfortable giving away taxpayers money to people who I don't feel deserve it.
I am also sorry if I have offended you , it is difficult to get your exact view across via text alone , so apologies Beanz if you felt I was directly attacking you because that was never even in my mind.

[ryanman]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

Beans answer my question regarding what you do with people living in parks?
Also how many employees , hire a worker with no fixed abode?

Why should I answer your question? apparently I am just a peasant what would I know ? Your aggressive tone does you no favours.

Stop discriminating against people and treating them like shit. Give them equal access to education, housing and employment and if they refuse to contribute to society and insist on breaking the law then use the law of the country that they break the law in to punish them. This is common sense. Nobody is suggesting that illegal migration or begging are in any way comparable to the migration of legal workers but yourself ,Miles, Nigel and Brockton.

Firstly I didn't say you are a peasant , I don't think that either by the way.
However I fail to see how we can give housing and education and healthcare to people who are from poorer countries when our own financial state is in a terrible condition.
You can't honestly believe that all the people who are going to flood in are going to be educated with money to buy houses, that's my point we can't sustain a mass of people coming here , because if we don't have the housing then what the hell are we going to do?
I'm sorry if I'm not comfortable giving away taxpayers money to people who I don't feel deserve it.
I am also sorry if I have offended you , it is difficult to get your exact view across via text alone , so apologies Beanz if you felt I was directly attacking you because that was never even in my mind.

Al it's understandable that you would have concerns. But honestly I don't think we'll have a flood of migrants coming over with their hands out. If I'm proven wrong then that will be sad for the country and the people coming over, but I really don't think it will have any meaningful negative impact on the lives of those of us already here. Let's look back in a year or two and I'm confident we'll see Farage's words as nothing more than fear mongering.
Some Romanians and Bulgarians will leave their countries. Most will head to Italy, France and Spain. Some will head to the UK. Of those many will bring skills and walk into jobs, others will be unskilled and take the unskilled jobs that are currently available that are not being taken by those currently in the dole queue. Some will claim benefits with a view to getting a job, and a very small number might claim benefits as a lifestyle choice (why you'd travel across Europe for that I'm not sure though!). Overall, I believe that the positive effect of the stimulus provided by new workers will pay for any additional benefits given out.

Also, even if its break even effect it's worth it in my opinion to live in an open, tolerant and decent society where people have compassion for fellow man.

[Beanz]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

Beans answer my question regarding what you do with people living in parks?
Also how many employees , hire a worker with no fixed abode?

Why should I answer your question? apparently I am just a peasant what would I know ? Your aggressive tone does you no favours.

Stop discriminating against people and treating them like shit. Give them equal access to education, housing and employment and if they refuse to contribute to society and insist on breaking the law then use the law of the country that they break the law in to punish them. This is common sense. Nobody is suggesting that illegal migration or begging are in any way comparable to the migration of legal workers but yourself ,Miles, Nigel and Brockton.

Firstly I didn't say you are a peasant , I don't think that either by the way.
However I fail to see how we can give housing and education and healthcare to people who are from poorer countries when our own financial state is in a terrible condition.
You can't honestly believe that all the people who are going to flood in are going to be educated with money to buy houses, that's my point we can't sustain a mass of people coming here , because if we don't have the housing then what the hell are we going to do?
I'm sorry if I'm not comfortable giving away taxpayers money to people who I don't feel deserve it.
I am also sorry if I have offended you , it is difficult to get your exact view across via text alone , so apologies Beanz if you felt I was directly attacking you because that was never even in my mind.

I am sorry if I took what you said the wrong way and I accept your apology and offer mine for any offence caused. No I do not believe people should be able to come here and claim benefits with no intention of working either but unless we leave the EU we can not have different rules for Romania and Bulgaria simply because they have Romani Gypsies as part of their population.

[Dark Lord Al]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

Beans answer my question regarding what you do with people living in parks?
Also how many employees , hire a worker with no fixed abode?

Why should I answer your question? apparently I am just a peasant what would I know ? Your aggressive tone does you no favours.

Stop discriminating against people and treating them like shit. Give them equal access to education, housing and employment and if they refuse to contribute to society and insist on breaking the law then use the law of the country that they break the law in to punish them. This is common sense. Nobody is suggesting that illegal migration or begging are in any way comparable to the migration of legal workers but yourself ,Miles, Nigel and Brockton.

Firstly I didn't say you are a peasant , I don't think that either by the way.
However I fail to see how we can give housing and education and healthcare to people who are from poorer countries when our own financial state is in a terrible condition.
You can't honestly believe that all the people who are going to flood in are going to be educated with money to buy houses, that's my point we can't sustain a mass of people coming here , because if we don't have the housing then what the hell are we going to do?
I'm sorry if I'm not comfortable giving away taxpayers money to people who I don't feel deserve it.
I am also sorry if I have offended you , it is difficult to get your exact view across via text alone , so apologies Beanz if you felt I was directly attacking you because that was never even in my mind.

I am sorry if I took what you said the wrong way and I accept your apology and offer mine for any offence caused. No I do not believe people should be able to come here and claim benefits with no intention of working either but unless we leave the EU we can not have different rules for Romania and Bulgaria simply because they have Romani Gypsies as part of their population.

Well I was saying personally I would close our borders to all, and sort out the country , get back on our feet etc , but we can agree to disagree I guess.

[ryanman]

Breaking the quote tree.

The thing is, would closing our borders really help us get back on our feet?

I'm from a school of thought that thinks that if Britain was to become isolationalist then it would eventually revert from being the world's 6th largest economy to a small island, with a middling population and average resources. We would eventually, in a few generations become the nation we by rights should be (ie a lot less influential and thus wealthy). It is our connections and influence, borne thorugh the empire and multiple wars that give us the inflated position we have 'enjoyed' our the past 2 centuries. One of the primary ways this influence manifests itself is as a key member of the EU.

[ryanman]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

Beans answer my question regarding what you do with people living in parks?
Also how many employees , hire a worker with no fixed abode?

Why should I answer your question? apparently I am just a peasant what would I know ? Your aggressive tone does you no favours.

Stop discriminating against people and treating them like shit. Give them equal access to education, housing and employment and if they refuse to contribute to society and insist on breaking the law then use the law of the country that they break the law in to punish them. This is common sense. Nobody is suggesting that illegal migration or begging are in any way comparable to the migration of legal workers but yourself ,Miles, Nigel and Brockton.

Firstly I didn't say you are a peasant , I don't think that either by the way.
However I fail to see how we can give housing and education and healthcare to people who are from poorer countries when our own financial state is in a terrible condition.
You can't honestly believe that all the people who are going to flood in are going to be educated with money to buy houses, that's my point we can't sustain a mass of people coming here , because if we don't have the housing then what the hell are we going to do?
I'm sorry if I'm not comfortable giving away taxpayers money to people who I don't feel deserve it.
I am also sorry if I have offended you , it is difficult to get your exact view across via text alone , so apologies Beanz if you felt I was directly attacking you because that was never even in my mind.

I am sorry if I took what you said the wrong way and I accept your apology and offer mine for any offence caused. No I do not believe people should be able to come here and claim benefits with no intention of working either but unless we leave the EU we can not have different rules for Romania and Bulgaria simply because they have Romani Gypsies as part of their population.

6 pages in a nutshell for me right there.

[Beanz]

How dare you twist things to make it be about demonizing Farrage and a political party. What a fucking hypocrite. You have the nerve to castigate Lyle about being duped by the two party system whilst sucking up to "Mr Farrage" and his propaganda. Not only that but you fall for it hook,line and sinker and then lecture the UK on whether it should be in the EU. You insist on taking the example of a proportion of an ethnic group that is itself a minority in the two countries in question and then judging millions of other unrelated people based on that. There are Romani everywhere, all over Europe, in America, Canada, Brazil, they are a nomadic people nearly wiped out by Hitler. Like the Jews this was only possible by dehumanizing them and treating them like animals. The aboriginal people of Australia are dismissed with similar arguments. "They want to live like that", "They need to stop drinking" as though they are beyond redemption and everything they suffer is no more than they deserve. I am not do easily persuaded by the fact that you and Miles have Asian wives that you are somehow beyond prejudice. Your insistence on calling Obama "Sotero" and Miles bigoted generalisations of Americans and insistence on calling disabled people "handicapped " makes that clear.

[Beanz]

Some Romani Gypsies that you may not have been aware of

[Gandalf]

Park Lane gypsies back with a vengeance – just THREE DAYS after being turfed out by police | UK | News | Daily Express

Why are these Romanians already in the UK then if they are only now opening up the labour market? How do these people get to live in parks and seemingly in entire family groups and yet if I want my spouse to live in the UK, I must first get a job earning more than 18,500 pounds a year? I am actually English! Oh, the irony of a fucked up country!

Never read the daily express or mail because they distort reality to suit their own sick agenda.

Are you saying they are not living in parks?

Al nobody will put their neck out and say what to do, they are avoiding our questions.

Bullshit Steve and you know it is. You are simply putting your fingers in your ears and throwing your lot in with the herd. You are again insisting the Roma and Romanian, Roma and Bulgarian are Interchangable. You are ignoring the fact that there are already laws in place to remove people sleeping in parks and that they are being removed. The Daily Express Article is sullied not only by the ridiculous biased attemot at journalism but is also littered with Xenophobic scumbags on the comments pages saying things like

"It's a pity Hitler missed them during the War."

followed by
"Vote ukip"

which is Farrages party. Do you really want to be associated with numbskulls like that?

There only spin being put on the whole debate is the blatant lies being told by Nigel , Miles and sadly yourself in trying to paint the legal migration of working Bulgarians and Romanians as something it expressly is not.

I am not telling any lies, so quit with that gibberish. Again ad hominem...

My issue is with the legal migration within the EU, and now Ryanman has expanded it, the illegal migration too. I am not happy with it and for reasons I have consistently supported. It is an unfair deal for obvious reasons that have been expressed.

You seem to like painting me as Tory boy when it suits you, but like Brockton I don't really fit any complete left or right divide. Sometimes I am very left, sometimes very right.

[Beanz]

Miles you are with the majority of people on this subject and diametrically opposed to myself and Ryanman so man up and admit it. You are quintessentially conservative. So much so you are even against parenthood and think that every eventuality in life must be accounted for. That my friend is an impossibility. However much you save financially.

"With one behind you can not sit on two horses"

[Gandalf]

Miles you are with the majority of people on this subject and diametrically opposed to myself and Ryanman so man up and admit it. You are quintessentially conservative. So much so you are even against parenthood and think that every eventuality in life must be accounted for. That my friend is an impossibility. However much you save financially.

"With one behind you can not sit on two horses"

No, I don't think so. On an issue like this, I mainly about British labour forces and they are being sold out. That's left wing. Right wing is being against other labour forces. I am against the monarchy, believe people shouldn't inherit wealth, taxes should be redistributed, minimum wages should be increased, etc. I am solidly left wing in those regards, but have my reactionary elements, and have no shame in that. It isn't all or nothing.

My views on parenthood are widely documented. I simply didn't enjoy growing up and want to put an end to the suffering in that chain of connections. It doesn't really reflect right or left though. It simply ticks the 'I abstain from the rat race' box. I have said grandiose things about it and think many would benefit from at least delaying parenthood, but it is just a personal choice. It goes against the grain, but one should.