London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians

[Gandalf]

From the age of 14? What were you a chimney sweep? Bulgarians and Romanians are not job stealing demons whatever your faux intellectual reasoning or "friends back home" tell you.

Being a lazy British person with a permanent sense of entitlement, I got a job in a fruit and vegetable shop. I worked weekdays from 6:30 am until schooltime and did the odd Saturday. Few people my age had jobs as they typically didn't need the money.

Schoolfriends today with a terrible attitude of entitlement work in jobs with unsociable hours such as supermarket bakeries and butchers, others work in nightclubs, and others work on the doors of such establishments. Educated friends back home do work for the council, schools and work in banks. The less traditionally educated people are the most vulnerable to the wave of migrants for obvious reasons. It's not fair to allow 5 million people to flood a border in a huge tsunami of cheap human labour.

I do not think migrants are job stealing demons, but they are adding competition to an already crowded country. You seem to think that I get some kind of perverse pleasure in seeing a lot of the things I readily state are happening actually being proven true. I do look at it with an extreme sense of curiosity, but on the whole felt sold out long before all the obvious rot had truly set in. To be a young person in the UK today must be truly soul destroying. It has got a LOT worse in the past decade. There is no hope in the system that is. There is no hope in Labour, or Tories, or Royal blood lines.

Thinking about all the changes that have happened in the past decade is enough to melt minds. Unchecked immigration, illegal wars, banking bailouts, declining living standards, students fees expanding unchecked, zero hours contracts explosion, increased retirement age, the worlds most despicable spying apparatus, millions spent on locking up Assange each year. I am cherry picking with Assange, but what the hell happened to this country? Then the lily fingered will hush it all away and say that you are just so negative and it is all hunky dory. No, it isn't! It's a betrayal of an entire country. We are moving into an age of neo-feudalism and nobody is batting an eyelid.

It isn't going away, it is expanding. The system is not reforming for the better. Young people have been sold down the river and mountains of debt and hopelessness are being foisted upon them stone burdens around the ankles pulling them down. It is a crime that these young people are inheriting such a world. Life was terrible under the Tories last time, but these are far more despicable times. Nothing was reversed from what the Tories did before and now the mail is gone, every utility is much more expensive, houses are unaffordable, stable jobs are vanishing and now there are 5 million extras and they are saying that the NHS is overburdened. Please! The entire system is a con and of course they will spoonfeed the gullible with that Royal family crap. I won't do hippy dippy, let's all love one another stuff. It isn't the truth about the situation. There is a time and a place for immigration, but it is INSANE to allow 5 million in in 10 years. No rational nation would ever do that.

Didn't Cameron also promise the British people a referendum on the EU? It is interesting that nobody ever calls him out on his gibberish. The British people deserve a say in the system and if I was there, I would honestly vote for UKIP next time out. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Labour and Tory are lame horses and need to be put out once and for all. You can either not vote, vote for the fraud parties, or else vote for something completely different. There isn't anything to lose as everything else has been swept from beneath the feet.

[Beanz]

Miles you are a miserable doom monger. Just because you moved to South Korea because it is more racially pure it does not mean everyone shares your uncomfortableness with immigration. I am not in the least bit surprised that you would vote UKIP and as a fraud that is your right. Me,me,me it's all we hear, Selfish fuck.

[Gandalf]

Miles you are a miserable doom monger. Just because you moved to South Korea because it is more racially pure it does not mean everyone shares your uncomfortableness with immigration. I am not in the least bit surprised that you would vote UKIP and as a fraud that is your right. Me,me,me it's all we hear, Selfish fuck.

1. Most British people would probably disagree with your notions that uncontrolled immigration is a good thing.
2. I am not a fraud. Doom monger perhaps, but tell me one thing I have been wrong about? Show me the improvements in the UK over the past decade. Nothing much to see really is there.
3. I don't think talking about immigration and the decay of the UK is an entirely selfish concern. Selfish would be to ignore it and hope the added weight sinks the place. However, I don't want that and want good things for ordinary people. That means cleaning up the system. The electorate has no valid alternative and all Cameron needs to do is provide the referendum that he promised.

Selfish is to make poor people of Britain poorer, selfish is to lie to the people, to allow rip off Britain to flourish, to make poor people live in debt permanently, to bail out failed corporations. I'm so selfish. I live in Palaces and refuse to allow homeless people a place to sleep. You defend selfishness all the time.

[Beanz]

Miles you are a miserable doom monger. Just because you moved to South Korea because it is more racially pure it does not mean everyone shares your uncomfortableness with immigration. I am not in the least bit surprised that you would vote UKIP and as a fraud that is your right. Me,me,me it's all we hear, Selfish fuck.

1. Most British people would probably disagree with your notions that uncontrolled immigration is a good thing.
2. I am not a fraud. Doom monger perhaps, but tell me one thing I have been wrong about? Show me the improvements in the UK over the past decade. Nothing much to see really is there.
3. I don't think talking about immigration and the decay of the UK is an entirely selfish concern. Selfish would be to ignore it and hope the added weight sinks the place. However, I don't want that and want good things for ordinary people. That means cleaning up the system. The electorate has no valid alternative and all Cameron needs to do is provide the referendum that he promised.

Selfish is to make poor people of Britain poorer, selfish is to lie to the people, to allow rip off Britain to flourish, to make poor people live in debt permanently, to bail out failed corporations. I'm so selfish. I live in Palaces and refuse to allow homeless people a place to sleep. You defend selfishness all the time.

1. Nowhere have I suggested that uncontrolled Immigration is a good thing. Whether most people agree or disagree is neither here nor there because your proposal is a false one and is as unrepresentative as the notion the the Entire population of two countries will be moving to London. Don't try and turn hyperbole on it's head and like Brockton accuse me of being the one misrepresenting the argument.

2. You are a fraud because you present yourself as caring and worried about the harsh treatment of people whilst suggesting that certain other people be treated harshly. Tell you one thing you have been wrong about? you are deluded and very stupid if you think that and even more moronic if you truly believe that immigration has done nothing to enrich the UK, Financially, Culturally or Socially.

3. I never suggested that talking about Immigration was a selfish concern, debate is a good thing. I was just attacking you personally.

[Gandalf]

Miles you are a miserable doom monger. Just because you moved to South Korea because it is more racially pure it does not mean everyone shares your uncomfortableness with immigration. I am not in the least bit surprised that you would vote UKIP and as a fraud that is your right. Me,me,me it's all we hear, Selfish fuck.

1. Most British people would probably disagree with your notions that uncontrolled immigration is a good thing.
2. I am not a fraud. Doom monger perhaps, but tell me one thing I have been wrong about? Show me the improvements in the UK over the past decade. Nothing much to see really is there.
3. I don't think talking about immigration and the decay of the UK is an entirely selfish concern. Selfish would be to ignore it and hope the added weight sinks the place. However, I don't want that and want good things for ordinary people. That means cleaning up the system. The electorate has no valid alternative and all Cameron needs to do is provide the referendum that he promised.

Selfish is to make poor people of Britain poorer, selfish is to lie to the people, to allow rip off Britain to flourish, to make poor people live in debt permanently, to bail out failed corporations. I'm so selfish. I live in Palaces and refuse to allow homeless people a place to sleep. You defend selfishness all the time.

1. Nowhere have I suggested that uncontrolled Immigration is a good thing. Whether most people agree or disagree is neither here nor there because your proposal is a false one and is as unrepresentative as the notion the the Entire population of two countries will be moving to London. Don't try and turn hyperbole on it's head and like Brockton accuse me of being the one misrepresenting the argument.

2. You are a fraud because you present yourself as caring and worried about the harsh treatment of people whilst suggesting that certain other people be treated harshly. Tell you one thing you have been wrong about? you are deluded and very stupid if you think that and even more moronic if you truly believe that immigration has done nothing to enrich the UK, Financially, Culturally or Socially.

3. I never suggested that talking about Immigration was a selfish concern, debate is a good thing. I was just attacking you personally.

1. 5 million in 10 years is realistic. I have never really bought into the title of this thread as you well know, so stop with that carry on. I have never suggested that 29 million new immigrants would all run away from their country either.

2. That doesn't make me a fraud. Should I just say open up all borders of the world, and let's just settle on the lowest common wage that will emerge? No. If we want to help Polish people then we provide aid to them, we don't give small businesses here open access to cheap labour. This has nothing to do with helping people, it is an economic strategy. It is cynical, planned, and is formenting huge unrest.

If you want to say that it is about helping people, then surely those in the UK come first? Are they not British? Would they really not work if it was not simply about low paying, non-secure jobs with arsehole bosses? The economic argument also says that the Polish are searching for 3 times the average wage, which means it's a completely selfish motive on their part too and at the expense of British people. Let Poland make a workable country, it isn't the responsibility of Britain.

3. Yes, of course you were and as you always do. I am so selfish, and yet how does being selfish on this issue benefit me in any way? Again, you have nothing to stand on. Like Dudley Moore in the Tarzan sketch. Your argument has no sense for this role.

[mofo2]

From the age of 14? What were you a chimney sweep? Bulgarians and Romanians are not job stealing demons whatever your faux intellectual reasoning or "friends back home" tell you.

Being a lazy British person with a permanent sense of entitlement, I got a job in a fruit and vegetable shop. I worked weekdays from 6:30 am until schooltime and did the odd Saturday. Few people my age had jobs as they typically didn't need the money.

Schoolfriends today with a terrible attitude of entitlement work in jobs with unsociable hours such as supermarket bakeries and butchers, others work in nightclubs, and others work on the doors of such establishments. Educated friends back home do work for the council, schools and work in banks. The less traditionally educated people are the most vulnerable to the wave of migrants for obvious reasons. It's not fair to allow 5 million people to flood a border in a huge tsunami of cheap human labour.

I do not think migrants are job stealing demons, but they are adding competition to an already crowded country. You seem to think that I get some kind of perverse pleasure in seeing a lot of the things I readily state are happening actually being proven true. I do look at it with an extreme sense of curiosity, but on the whole felt sold out long before all the obvious rot had truly set in. To be a young person in the UK today must be truly soul destroying. It has got a LOT worse in the past decade. There is no hope in the system that is. There is no hope in Labour, or Tories, or Royal blood lines.

Thinking about all the changes that have happened in the past decade is enough to melt minds. Unchecked immigration, illegal wars, banking bailouts, declining living standards, students fees expanding unchecked, zero hours contracts explosion, increased retirement age, the worlds most despicable spying apparatus, millions spent on locking up Assange each year. I am cherry picking with Assange, but what the hell happened to this country? Then the lily fingered will hush it all away and say that you are just so negative and it is all hunky dory. No, it isn't! It's a betrayal of an entire country. We are moving into an age of neo-feudalism and nobody is batting an eyelid.

It isn't going away, it is expanding. The system is not reforming for the better. Young people have been sold down the river and mountains of debt and hopelessness are being foisted upon them stone burdens around the ankles pulling them down. It is a crime that these young people are inheriting such a world. Life was terrible under the Tories last time, but these are far more despicable times. Nothing was reversed from what the Tories did before and now the mail is gone, every utility is much more expensive, houses are unaffordable, stable jobs are vanishing and now there are 5 million extras and they are saying that the NHS is overburdened. Please! The entire system is a con and of course they will spoonfeed the gullible with that Royal family crap. I won't do hippy dippy, let's all love one another stuff. It isn't the truth about the situation. There is a time and a place for immigration, but it is INSANE to allow 5 million in in 10 years. No rational nation would ever do that.

Didn't Cameron also promise the British people a referendum on the EU? It is interesting that nobody ever calls him out on his gibberish. The British people deserve a say in the system and if I was there, I would honestly vote for UKIP next time out. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Labour and Tory are lame horses and need to be put out once and for all. You can either not vote, vote for the fraud parties, or else vote for something completely different. There isn't anything to lose as everything else has been swept from beneath the feet.

Having varied opinions about how things actually are will actually be considered racist or insensitive within our ever growing multi cultural society by many people, but absolutely spot on, this is exactly how it is.....an excellent post well thought out!!!

[brocktonblockbust]

Greenbeanz is beginning to act like a passive-aggressive fascist in that he accuses me ond Miles of racism or exaggerating or racila profiling at the very least, yet HE iis the one who is labeling us as racists undeservedly and self-aggrandizing and self-promoting. UKIP is fine with me... 90% of all ATM crime in Britain in 2012 was committed by Romanians.

FACT. So crime stats are also racist and Hitlerian, Beanz?

[Master]

90% of sex crimes were committed by the English so what?

[Andre]

When that civil war went on over there somewhere back 15 years ago or so we took in many Albanians into an old quarantine station thats out on the end of the point here. Nice place neat as a pin solid old Victorian place with ocean views in a park setting.
They got taken on an excursion into town to shop and the shop keepers lost hundreds of dollars of stuff to them.
That lot wrecked it for the odd one thats probably ok.

[Beanz]

I have to say that I am hugely disappointed. Whatever you think about Immigration some of the wholesale unabated racist stereotyping in this thread is pretty sickening. Not all Roma are Romani, not all Romani are criminals and now apparently Albanians, Polish and Bulgarians are being tarred with the same brush. Call it what you like, but it I will not be silenced by claims of self aggrandising and paranoia just because I refuse to join in with the verbal tar and feathering of any race, ethnicity or social group that some other man tells me is the bogeyman.

[Andre]

Mate,it happened. That isnt racist its a fact,as a community we voted to help them out as a community they ripped us off. Its just a fact that they operate on completely different principles than we do here.

OF COURSE NOT ALL ALBANIANS DO THIS! Why get emotional on fact?
Why we cant we tell it how it is?
You have to read it as if Im a racist?

Ive had this exact conversation with an Albanian right up front, a guy I worked for for a couple of weeks. (If I held anything against them, I wouldnt of worked for him I would of made the excuse I had too much on and left) But I had this exact conversation with him and another because a friend who deals antiques got taken for 200 grand of stock ad when he went to get paid got to look down a barrrel and told if he wants to take it further his family will become involved.So I had the conversation, cause i wanted to make sure I was to be paid and he knew why the conversation arose and was upstanding and outstanding and Albanian. This guy ,whos other family members they have to see on occasions, he tells me he fears. He tells his kids dont take anything from these people no promises no plans to meet up with their kids,anytime, anywhere, nothing,drums it into them! That is very sad for him and his family. Thats because they'll turn up with something they will 'have to mind' or call it in later as some favor.. "Hey come on we shouted you out onto the go carts come on you owe us this " and bang this guys kids later in life would be drawn into their 'game' unwittingly.

That is straight from within their own family.

What should I have said to him?

Im hugely disappointed for this unabated stereo typing?

[Beanz]

"That lot wrecked it for the odd one that's probably OK".

I never called you a racist.

"Why get emotional on fact" ? That is something that is often attributed to my posts and usually it's imposing a tone that's not there. Being emotional though is not a fault and I feel a great affinity for my Gypsy Nan I can't just take the easy road and shut my mouth.

[Andre]

So whats disappointing?

The fact I didint put a s on the end of one, instead of writing the odd one.

[Andre]

"That lot wrecked it for the odd one that's probably OK".

I never called you a racist.

"Why get emotional on fact" ? That is something that is often attributed to my posts and usually it's imposing a tone that's not there. Being emotional though is not a fault and I feel a great affinity for my Gypsy Nan I can't just take the easy road and shut my mouth.

We have the Romany blood in our family line through the Maclannen side. Not as close as yours though. I think its very cool.

[Beanz]

All the flights were not sold out. All the trains were not full. All the ferries were not crammed full. The planned mass invasion never happened. The UK is part of the EU, it is not an isolated experiment. Mealymouthed protectionism from someone who would see the UK become a republic and remove a monarchy that earns far more than it costs.