Jesus was a Jewish rabbi......PERIOD

[IamInuit]

Jesus was most certainly Jewish and also a Rabbi. A sage, a preacher, whatever. He was as real as Davinci or any Caesar. Historically the term Rabbi does not appear until about a 100 years after his death. But lots of things existed before they were named. He was most likely not fair skinned or blued eyed. Its up to the individual to believe or not believe that he was something other then a teacher.

One thing I am fairly confident in is that if he were here today at this time of year specifically, he would go absolute *&^%$ing ballistic. Not only do these followers get his birth date wrong but they change the message around completely and bring in some dude named Santa. If you think he went off his gord when he found a flea market in a synagogue, well you ain't seen nothing. The manger scene on school stages surrounded by giant candy canes and a reindeer/sleigh backdrop. These "Christians" who walk by the soup kitchen and the beggar on the street in order to pick up the 300 dollar foot gear for their 12 year old.

That is the almost surreal irony to this whole Christmas gig. Christ would look down on it the most. Its turned into a little bigger thing then a simple 9 pieces if silver.

[walrus]

I don't know if this thread was started to be controversial. It isn't at all. Jesus was born and died a Jew. It is not an issue and has no effect on Christianity. Regardless Merry Christma

[Andre]

Also for Yeshuas whole life he pointed at only God and forged a new a link in between God and man in love, severing the old laws.
He said I am the way.
He is the pathway back to God, not the destination.This is the mistake people make they rest in their faith and do nothing and use that as an excuse to do nothing but talk.

Its a historical fact that 300 years after Yeshua, Rome decides to get involved and make the religion theirs solely.They decide to omit part of the scriptures,they decide what context you are to believe in what you do.
They had full control over the finished book you now read from. They made a new set of laws placing themselves in between man and God forcing all followers to come through them, falsified Yeshuas name ,his birthdate and changing the Sabbath day, something which all other Christian churches bar one fell for and still do.Worse is they preach fear of God instead of fear of your consequences of actions or lack of action when required.

And Nsemin you just said in a pm: I have mistaken unconditional love.
Believe this, when I do serve someone and do unto him as I would have him do unto me, it is without conditions.

But in your context of belief, I do not waste the truth where it isnt welcome.

After speaking about not judging our neighbor before dealing with the sin in our own hearts (this includes more than anything self righteousness)lest we become hypocrites.
Yeshua speaks a very important principle that often gets overlooked. He says in Matthew 7:6, "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet.

You may as well re read Revelations, if you really want to know for certain what he thinks about the different churches and their actions and non actions.

[Dia bando]

Remember Religion is interpreted by individuals, to suit there needs or out look,! PEOPLE who
are Religious never preach to you.
When I was a child in the 60's Wales, was very Religious Chapel morning, noon , and night, pubs
closed on a Sunday, no work done on that day, dressed up in your Sunday best,

To be honest I'm glad that way of life bit the dust, did it do me any harm NO , did I hate it yes
with a passion, in my job I hear Religion everyday and I have said it in the past, many a good
word said over, a shit bag believe some are as I NO them.
People would say it's forgiveness, I would say it's hypocritical a shit bag is a shit bag it's a fact,
Religion is not at fault, just the people not all just some,! as a child a family down the road had
a daughter, she needed a surgery and she may have needed a blood transfusion, they refused
on Religious grounds, needless to say she passed away, Religion Christian acts of kindness,
who needs it not me.!!!!!

[El Kabong]

I don't know if this thread was started to be controversial. It isn't at all. Jesus was born and died a Jew. It is not an issue and has no effect on Christianity. Regardless Merry Christma

Jesus was born and died a Jew, yes that's fine I have no complaints about that statement and that statement does have no effect of Christianity...but


Brockton's post said for the most part there was nothing special/different about Jesus and that he was just a man. That flies DIRECTLY in the face of Christianity and on Christmas for what purpose would Brockton post that? I'm still waiting on that answer.

[El Kabong]

I'm not super religious at all, I drink, I cuss, I rarely if ever go to church.......but it irks me that someone would take such a blatant shot at Christianity on Christmas with 0 explanation.

[IamInuit]

I don't think what he said was offensive at all. If I were a Christian worthy of the name, I'd be deeply offended by Christmas. I'm not sure it matters whether he was the "son" or just a man.

[El Kabong]

I don't think what he said was offensive at all. If I were a Christian worthy of the name, I'd be deeply offended by Christmas. I'm not sure it matters whether he was the "son" or just a man.

There have been many outside forces that have driven religion to where it is now, the Romans/.The Vatican, King James, the various councils which decided on which books were to be kept in The Bible and which non-canonical books should remain that....you won't find my arguing with those facts at all. In fact certain sects of Christians were killed and their books burned during and after councils like the ones held in Nicaea which is why The Dead Sea Scrolls were found in their hiding places many many years later.

The whole basis of Christianity is that Jesus was the son of God, without that there is no Christianity.


I'm waiting for Brockton to explain his own words, I've only asked his intentions for such a thread I've not condemned him only questioned the purpose of this thread...what good will come of it?

[Dia bando]

This should be your outlook on life.

[Andre]

I don't think what he said was offensive at all. If I were a Christian worthy of the name, I'd be deeply offended by Christmas. I'm not sure it matters whether he was the "son" or just a man.

Himself with those types of men back then and also preceding them thousands of years followed the stars and celestial seasons with Earths. They knew much more than the controlling people who came later on who took control over religion the same who swore the world was flat and was the center of all the universe etc and would kill anyone who disagreed with them publicly. The ancient ones here on Earth prior to the dumming down of humanity by those controlling Godless idiots who burned people and knowledge, knew everything was round and that time was cyclic not lineal and was seasonal including the Earths and her people. I think from reading whats left in scripture that they also knew the same about our internal make up being similar but in miniature, seasonal and cyclic linked into the all. The ancient adage 'As above so below' turns out to be truer than we first guessed. Yeshua was apparently heard to have said to a disciple "see there that is your star" while pointing one out etc. Makes you rethink about the Sun thing and how we are made from particles that were a Sun once, before those particles became Earth then us.

Sun of God/ son of God could be similar or the same thing when you think about pre particle stages back into atomic range then back further into just the energy then back further to just only dark matter existing. The sun is only the physical part of the source of all life for a few material dimensions in the galaxy and there are billions of them out there.
Who knows whats behind them? An expanding consciousness of pure energy?Otherwise known as spirit?
Many people also think we are the only physical life form in the Universe,thats highly unlikely too when you look at the scale of things.
Many people also think we are only a physical life form, nothing else,thats also debatable specially now we know of dimensions and how they share borders and how energy or spirit moves from one to the other.
The modern day Christians run from this knowledge in fear, because they can only think in one way like seeing out of one eye,having one point of view, preferring to believe what the men from the exact same age:when the dumming down of humanity occurred took over their books and rejigged them a touch. Its tragic but served a purpose of sorts, knowledge was burned, the Grand Alexandrian library that had thousands of years of knowledge stored was razzed to the floor because it was a threat to someones fixed beliefs. Then the world got dummer and dummer for a while,you can even see it in how some lived in squaller and filth and couldnt think their way out of it, compared with the others proir to them who had running water, sewage systems,growth management etc,Its very strange what happened in between.