London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians

[Beanz]

Kirkland is that your sole contribution to this thread? Have you thrown your lot in with Farrage and Brockton and resorted to distorting the argument to get some brownie points?

[Master]

They are not allowed to claim for 3 months! I thought the Tories made that clear.

[brocktonblockbust]

Kirkland is that your sole contribution to this thread? Have you thrown your lot in with Farrage and Brockton and resorted to distorting the argument to get some brownie points?

you racist cunt @Greenbeanz you better stop dissing brownies you fuckwit. Do you think we don't get your subtle innuendos?

[Master]

Kirkland is that your sole contribution to this thread? Have you thrown your lot in with Farrage and Brockton and resorted to distorting the argument to get some brownie points?

you racist cunt @Greenbeanz you better stop dissing brownies you fuckwit. Do you think we don't get your subtle innuendos?

And you are green with envy about how he is beating your arguments.

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirkland is that your sole contribution to this thread? Have you thrown your lot in with Farrage and Brockton and resorted to distorting the argument to get some brownie points?

I'm just asking you a question.

[Dia bando]

Our welfare system was set up to benefit ,people from our own Country who have contributed into
the system. We should not give out money housing, to none British immigrants weather EU citizens
or not, it is not sustainable giving hand out to people.
You pay in you take out simple, no if's or buts we have a housing shortage why open the borders
and let more people in, when we can't house the people we got madness.

Sorry to say this it's time we looked after our own citizens, not the Eu's I worry for my OWN
not for other part's of the Eu, stay put and keep your poverty with you my worry is our poor
people will be dragged down to there level of poverty.
We will be returning to the beginning of the last Century, were people lived in squalor it's coming
the Village were I live 10 to 15 people living in one house guess what my friends were are they
from the eastern block.
We are supposed to have evolved, but all I see us is devolving back into the dark ages.

[ryanman]

Our welfare system was set up to benefit ,people from our own Country who have contributed into
the system. We should not give out money housing, to none British immigrants weather EU citizens
or not, it is not sustainable giving hand out to people.
You pay in you take out simple, no if's or buts we have a housing shortage why open the borders
and let more people in, when we can't house the people we got madness.

Sorry to say this it's time we looked after our own citizens, not the Eu's I worry for my OWN
not for other part's of the Eu, stay put and keep your poverty with you my worry is our poor
people will be dragged down to there level of poverty.
We will be returning to the beginning of the last Century, were people lived in squalor it's coming
the Village were I live 10 to 15 people living in one house guess what my friends were are they
from the eastern block.
We are supposed to have evolved, but all I see us is devolving back into the dark ages.

Immigration has a net GROWTH effect on our economy.
Can you show me anything that disputes that?

So we won't be dragged down anywhere.

You guys are just repeating the same things even though facts show it to be wrong.

Immigrants have had a net growth effect on our economy since 2000.

As they did in the 50s, the 60s, the 80s.

Immigrants to the UK have never caused an increase in poverty levels. Ever.
If any of you can show one piece of evidence that they have then please share it.

[Dia bando]

Our welfare system was set up to benefit ,people from our own Country who have contributed into
the system. We should not give out money housing, to none British immigrants weather EU citizens
or not, it is not sustainable giving hand out to people.
You pay in you take out simple, no if's or buts we have a housing shortage why open the borders
and let more people in, when we can't house the people we got madness.

Sorry to say this it's time we looked after our own citizens, not the Eu's I worry for my OWN
not for other part's of the Eu, stay put and keep your poverty with you my worry is our poor
people will be dragged down to there level of poverty.
We will be returning to the beginning of the last Century, were people lived in squalor it's coming
the Village were I live 10 to 15 people living in one house guess what my friends were are they
from the eastern block.
We are supposed to have evolved, but all I see us is devolving back into the dark ages.

Immigration has a net GROWTH effect on our economy.
Can you show me anything that disputes that?

So we won't be dragged down anywhere.

You guys are just repeating the same things even though facts show it to be wrong.

Immigrants have had a net growth effect on our economy since 2000.

As they did in the 50s, the 60s, the 80s.

Immigrants to the UK have never caused an increase in poverty levels. Ever.
If any of you can show one piece of evidence that they have then please share it.

Ray the facts are I've seen it with my own eyes, not bull shit figures in reality the British worker
is suffering cheap labour has driven DOWN wages facts, putting British workers jobs and working
conditions at great risk. Cheap labour is no good for the average person in this Country, the only
winners are the employers who drive down wages, tell me how is that good for the economy.!!!

Putting British workers on the dole, and employing cheap emigrant workers what good does that do
none, I spend my money in the local economy. I don't send my money to any other Country all my
money I spend here.
Sorry you facts are as week as dish water, facts are the British worker gets Fucked over again, the rich want cheap labour, back to the day's on bended knees.
All the people I work with feel the same way, we are feed up with all the bull shit in reality we have
to put our own house in order, because there's no room this house is FULL to the brim.

[brocktonblockbust]

look what happened to amerikkka in the past 20 years----NAFTA, open borders, illegaL immigrant AMNESTY--- 7 guatemalans sleeping to one illegal attic studio, getting free medical treatment at the clinics, their girlfriends having ANCHOR BABIES, cannot deport them, politically incorrect, we Americans go down to the accounting offices in the towns we live in, give our CV in for an accountant or bookkeeper job, and they say its been filled........we find out an uneducated, non-English speaking Central American has got the job offer for $7.75 per hour. Bookkeepers in NJ normally earn $15-20 per hour. Americans cant afford to take the job for less than say $15 an hour, and these cunts are accepting it for 7.75 an hour-----because they pay $75 dollarsper month rent by packing into a little hallway or attic with 6 other Central Americans and dont have the big rent bills or utilities bills, etc.

you call that good for the economy? only if you are a dope is that good for the economy.

[ryanman]

Our welfare system was set up to benefit ,people from our own Country who have contributed into
the system. We should not give out money housing, to none British immigrants weather EU citizens
or not, it is not sustainable giving hand out to people.
You pay in you take out simple, no if's or buts we have a housing shortage why open the borders
and let more people in, when we can't house the people we got madness.

Sorry to say this it's time we looked after our own citizens, not the Eu's I worry for my OWN
not for other part's of the Eu, stay put and keep your poverty with you my worry is our poor
people will be dragged down to there level of poverty.
We will be returning to the beginning of the last Century, were people lived in squalor it's coming
the Village were I live 10 to 15 people living in one house guess what my friends were are they
from the eastern block.
We are supposed to have evolved, but all I see us is devolving back into the dark ages.

Immigration has a net GROWTH effect on our economy.
Can you show me anything that disputes that?

So we won't be dragged down anywhere.

You guys are just repeating the same things even though facts show it to be wrong.

Immigrants have had a net growth effect on our economy since 2000.

As they did in the 50s, the 60s, the 80s.

Immigrants to the UK have never caused an increase in poverty levels. Ever.
If any of you can show one piece of evidence that they have then please share it.

Ray the facts are I've seen it with my own eyes, not bull shit figures in reality the British worker
is suffering cheap labour has driven DOWN wages facts, putting British workers jobs and working
conditions at great risk. Cheap labour is no good for the average person in this Country, the only
winners are the employers who drive down wages, tell me how is that good for the economy.!!!

Putting British workers on the dole, and employing cheap emigrant workers what good does that do
none, I spend my money in the local economy. I don't send my money to any other Country all my
money I spend here.
Sorry you facts are as week as dish water, facts are the British worker gets Fucked over again, the rich want cheap labour, back to the day's on bended knees.
All the people I work with feel the same way, we are feed up with all the bull shit in reality we have
to put our own house in order, because there's no room this house is FULL to the brim.

I do accept that different people's views on this will be shaped by their own experiences and outlook. Personally, I have never been remotely negatively affected by immigration (and by the way I'm from a very working class/bordering on poor family). Thats the truth for me, but I understand that individuals may have different experiences.

But Rich, for the love of god, stop calling me Ray!

[Gandalf]

I don't think there is anything wrong with what Brockton is saying. I don't dispute that immigration has had a positive effect on the economy either, but I do disagree with that growth being positive for the general population of the UK. It is growth in the pockets of medium businesses who want to hire on the cheap and granted it works for them....at a cost to a significant sector of the population. The truth is that low educated, relatively unskilled workers are the vast bulk of workers in any country, so to have them competing with millions of legal and millions more illegal migrants, is a rather heavy pill to swallow. It isn't a fair game. Romania for the English with a minimum wage of 88p an hour and Romanian a language spoken by few or England for Romanians where the minimum wage is over 6 pounds and in a world where everyone can speak some English. How does that equation ever amount to being game in an open labour market?

Liberalism sometimes wants its cake and to eat it too, and in this instance the liberals are usually people who are very comfortable and with the least to lose. The typical broadsheet reader has nothing to fear and thus liberalism at all costs is the majority view. Sometimes you have to say no to unchecked liberalism and this is just one of those issues.

[Dia bando]

Our welfare system was set up to benefit ,people from our own Country who have contributed into
the system. We should not give out money housing, to none British immigrants weather EU citizens
or not, it is not sustainable giving hand out to people.
You pay in you take out simple, no if's or buts we have a housing shortage why open the borders
and let more people in, when we can't house the people we got madness.

Sorry to say this it's time we looked after our own citizens, not the Eu's I worry for my OWN
not for other part's of the Eu, stay put and keep your poverty with you my worry is our poor
people will be dragged down to there level of poverty.
We will be returning to the beginning of the last Century, were people lived in squalor it's coming
the Village were I live 10 to 15 people living in one house guess what my friends were are they
from the eastern block.
We are supposed to have evolved, but all I see us is devolving back into the dark ages.

Immigration has a net GROWTH effect on our economy.
Can you show me anything that disputes that?

So we won't be dragged down anywhere.

You guys are just repeating the same things even though facts show it to be wrong.

Immigrants have had a net growth effect on our economy since 2000.

As they did in the 50s, the 60s, the 80s.

Immigrants to the UK have never caused an increase in poverty levels. Ever.
If any of you can show one piece of evidence that they have then please share it.

Ray the facts are I've seen it with my own eyes, not bull shit figures in reality the British worker
is suffering cheap labour has driven DOWN wages facts, putting British workers jobs and working
conditions at great risk. Cheap labour is no good for the average person in this Country, the only
winners are the employers who drive down wages, tell me how is that good for the economy.!!!

Putting British workers on the dole, and employing cheap emigrant workers what good does that do
none, I spend my money in the local economy. I don't send my money to any other Country all my
money I spend here.
Sorry you facts are as week as dish water, facts are the British worker gets Fucked over again, the rich want cheap labour, back to the day's on bended knees.
All the people I work with feel the same way, we are feed up with all the bull shit in reality we have
to put our own house in order, because there's no room this house is FULL to the brim.

I do accept that different people's views on this will be shaped by their own experiences and outlook. Personally, I have never been remotely negatively affected by immigration (and by the way I'm from a very working class/bordering on poor family). Thats the truth for me, but I understand that individuals may have different experiences.

But Rich, for the love of god, stop calling me Ray!

Sorry RAY.

[Beanz]

You sound like Alex Jones. Hysterical.

[Beanz]

Miles you would not recognise a fact if it jumped up and sunk its teeth into your bony arse.

[Gandalf]

Miles you would not recognise a fact if it jumped up and sunk its teeth into your bony arse.

Snide comments aside, I don't see what facts I am supposed to be missing. Would you care to enlighten us all because quite frankly, I don't see nor understand the case for allowing unfair labour markets to exist. Liberalism at all costs is not desirable. It is extremism and in the case of a nation state, can cause immense harm.

The levels of unrest and anger have been fermenting for years and people are told, that it is wrong to question why half the checkout counter people are no longer English, you are supposed to just accept that this is progress. Nobody begrudges different people working as everybody needs to work, but I think people are angry about how it was done in a very shady way and now that the extent of the change is so apparent, the poor in particular are wondering why on earth they themselves are struggling to make a living. They have been sold down the river, and they are right to think that way. Why are there jobs advertised in Romania which they don't even bother to advertise in the UK? Is that not questionable? It's a corporatist agenda to get labour as cheaply as possible. It's labour as an unquestioning, do as you are told, cheap, factor of production.

We are growing again, they tell you! It's disturbing to say the least. At what cost? Ordinary people haven't seen wages go up in half a decade, disparities in wealth are at massive levels, but hey house prices are going up and more low paying jobs! We are growing, keep on repeating it, and it must be true. Thus bills go up, transport goes up, savings rates almost nil in real terms, rents go up, but wages stagnate. Nothing to see here, we are growing! Utter madness.