Terry Norris " Mayweather with all that slapping and running "

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Not that different, both excellent smaller fighters and exceptional hand speed.

They ain't even close man, come on. Besides being black, having fast hands and boxing for a living.

You saying Terry Norris would be able to hit Mayweather like he could Meldrick Taylor? Meldrick was a fast dude who could box, but being from Philly he would just go out swinging and end up eating punches.

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Norris had legit power. He was no Julian Jackson, but he wasn't a Pernell Whitaker either.

[Spicoli]

Not that different, both excellent smaller fighters and exceptional hand speed.

They ain't even close man, come on. Besides being black, having fast hands and boxing for a living.

You saying Terry Norris would be able to hit Mayweather like he could Meldrick Taylor? Meldrick was a fast dude who could box, but being from Philly he would just go out swinging and end up eating punches.

Zab Judah matched Mayweathers handspeed for a few. A one trick pony Mosley had him reeling. Norris was a very physical sort and a seriosuly underrated boxer when he resisted. Still ranked a "p4p" best, Taylor set out to box like the wind that night..all changed when Norris matched his renowned speed and it ended in the power. You can box all you want until a guy kicks in the front door on you.

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Zab Judah matched Mayweathers handspeed for a few. A one trick pony Mosley had him reeling. Norris was a very physical sort and a seriosuly underrated boxer when he resisted. Still ranked a "p4p" best, Taylor set out to box like the wind that night..all changed when Norris matched his renowned speed and it ended in the power. You can box all you want until a guy kicks in the front door on you.

Come on. Mosley landed what, 2 or 3 real good punches in the first or second round? Rocked Floyd good, then Floyd made the adjustments and shut him out for the rest of the fight. Did Zab land anything meaningful? Come on, you're grasping at straws here.

You can say Terry Norris beats Floyd at 154. I have no problem with anyone thinking that, because despite his MANY flaws, Terry was a dangerous motherfucker in there.

But don't tell me you think that because of what Terry did to a washed up MELDRICK TAYLOR. Meldrick and Mayweather are completely different animals. Completely different styles. Meldrick was slick, but not in a Mayweather kind of way.

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Meldrick was slick, but not in a Mayweather kind of way.

Yeah, you're right, Meldrick was a far superior combination puncher, not a 1-off pot-shot guy like Floyd.

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Yeah, you're right, Meldrick was a far superior combination puncher, not a 1-off pot-shot guy like Floyd.

Yeah and as a result he got hit a lot more and sounds like he has 20 pieces of Hubba Bubba in his mouth when he talks.

You gotta know when to punch and when not to punch, Meldrick obviously didn't have that knowledge.

[Master]

Yeah, you're right, Meldrick was a far superior combination puncher, not a 1-off pot-shot guy like Floyd.

Yeah and as a result he got hit a lot more and sounds like he has 20 pieces of Hubba Bubba in his mouth when he talks.

You gotta know when to punch and when not to punch, Meldrick obviously didn't have that knowledge.

Meldrick was a quality boxer and probably had faster hands than Floyd. Yes the big difference between them is that Floyd "runs" more than Taylor stood and took unnecessary punishment. Terry still beats Floyd.

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Meldrick was a quality boxer and probably had faster hands than Floyd. Yes the big difference between them is that Floyd "runs" more than Taylor stood and took unnecessary punishment. Terry still beats Floyd.

Meldrick might have been a faster combo puncher, but Floyd was quicker with the one shot, and more importantly Floyd was a lot more accurate.

Meldrick wasn't even in Floyd's league in his prime, let alone when he fought Terry Norris.

But hey, I'm not saying Terry Norris couldn't beat Floyd at 154, I'm not even saying he couldn't knock Floyd out. But if you're telling me that he's going to do to Floyd what he did to Meldrick, just blast him out of there like a bum, you're nuts!

[IamInuit]

People need to quit telling other people they don't know shit about boxing. After all we are all savants on our keyboards and its by sheer bad luck and birth date and place that we were and are not in the corners or training camps of the greats.

Having said that, some people who make or have made a living in the sport are as inept at times as we are.

Terry Norris fought in a completely different era then this one and yet to me at 55 it feels like just yesterday. The idea of "risk and reward" then compared to now diametrically oppose each other philosophically.

Even with that, the whole idea of the sport is based around the maxim of hitting and not getting hit. Saying Floyd runs and slaps is simply a stupid, ignorant boxing observation. It makes little difference to me who said it. If everyone fought like Norris albeit showing pugilistic brilliance at times we would not even need a ring. We could use a throw rug.

[Master]

People need to quit telling other people they don't know shit about boxing. After all we are all savants on our keyboards and its by sheer bad luck and birth date and place that we were and are not in the corners or training camps of the greats.

Having said that, some people who make or have made a living in the sport are as inept at times as we are.

Terry Norris fought in a completely different era then this one and yet to me at 55 it feels like just yesterday. The idea of "risk and reward" then compared to now diametrically oppose each other philosophically.

Even with that, the whole idea of the sport is based around the maxim of hitting and not getting hit. Saying Floyd runs and slaps is simply a stupid, ignorant boxing observation. It makes little difference to me who said it. If everyone fought like Norris albeit showing pugilistic brilliance at times we would not even need a ring. We could use a throw rug.

Norris did use the ring, his footwork was beautiful and his combination punching were fantastic to see.

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People need to quit telling other people they don't know shit about boxing.

[Spicoli]

Zab Judah matched Mayweathers handspeed for a few. A one trick pony Mosley had him reeling. Norris was a very physical sort and a seriosuly underrated boxer when he resisted. Still ranked a "p4p" best, Taylor set out to box like the wind that night..all changed when Norris matched his renowned speed and it ended in the power. You can box all you want until a guy kicks in the front door on you.

Come on. Mosley landed what, 2 or 3 real good punches in the first or second round? Rocked Floyd good, then Floyd made the adjustments and shut him out for the rest of the fight. Did Zab land anything meaningful? Come on, you're grasping at straws here.

You can say Terry Norris beats Floyd at 154. I have no problem with anyone thinking that, because despite his MANY flaws, Terry was a dangerous motherfucker in there.

But don't tell me you think that because of what Terry did to a washed up MELDRICK TAYLOR. Meldrick and Mayweather are completely different animals. Completely different styles. Meldrick was slick, but not in a Mayweather kind of way.

The point was that Floyd is not impervious to fast hands and when you consider natural size, speed and power of Norris..mayweather has never faced anything close to that and stayed dry. Frankly Mosley fought a dumb fight after his brief window and he went out to actually try to box with Floyd. He adjusted too, away from any sliver of a chance.

The comparison was to pure speed and closing down an all time fast handed guy and chopping down ring real estate. Norris had some serious speed and that fight flipped on its head with Taylor having his gameplan stripped away in 2nd. And it was Norris going down in weight. Made me think of Norris boxing class round 1 vs Julian Jackson..then the power came, in brutal fashion. Clearly Taylor had not the master footwork or backseat boxing mentality of Mayweather, but the totally washed up and shot talk gets thrown around way too easily in hindsight today. Taylor wore scars from Chavez but he wasn't so washed up that he couldn't rise a division, shut out a respectable champion and beat a top contender going into Norris fight. Both were ranked p4p top fighters in the world for whatever thats worth and Taylor was numero uno in his division! That fight was a throw back type match and a shot in the arm for the sport.

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Zab Judah matched Mayweathers handspeed for a few. A one trick pony Mosley had him reeling. Norris was a very physical sort and a seriosuly underrated boxer when he resisted. Still ranked a "p4p" best, Taylor set out to box like the wind that night..all changed when Norris matched his renowned speed and it ended in the power. You can box all you want until a guy kicks in the front door on you.

Come on. Mosley landed what, 2 or 3 real good punches in the first or second round? Rocked Floyd good, then Floyd made the adjustments and shut him out for the rest of the fight. Did Zab land anything meaningful? Come on, you're grasping at straws here.

You can say Terry Norris beats Floyd at 154. I have no problem with anyone thinking that, because despite his MANY flaws, Terry was a dangerous motherfucker in there.

But don't tell me you think that because of what Terry did to a washed up MELDRICK TAYLOR. Meldrick and Mayweather are completely different animals. Completely different styles. Meldrick was slick, but not in a Mayweather kind of way.

The point was that Floyd is not impervious to fast hands and when you consider natural size, speed and power of Norris..mayweather has never faced anything close to that and stayed dry. Frankly Mosley fought a dumb fight after his brief window and he went out to actually try to box with Floyd. He adjusted too, away from any sliver of a chance.

The comparison was to pure speed and closing down an all time fast handed guy and chopping down ring real estate. Norris had some serious speed and that fight flipped on its head with Taylor having his gameplan stripped away in 2nd. And it was Norris going down in weight. Made me think of Norris boxing class round 1 vs Julian Jackson..then the power came, in brutal fashion. Clearly Taylor had not the master footwork or backseat boxing mentality of Mayweather, but the totally washed up and shot talk gets thrown around way too easily in hindsight today. Taylor wore scars from Chavez but he wasn't so washed up that he couldn't rise a division, shut out a respectable champion and beat a top contender going into Norris fight. Both were ranked p4p top fighters in the world for whatever thats worth and Taylor was numero uno in his division! That fight was a throw back type match and a shot in the arm for the sport.

Why are we using the Floyd that fought Shane as an example? Floyd in his early days had as good a foot movement as any fighter i have seen. Terry was one bad dude...but he hardly was tight on his defense. Mayweather is incredibly accurate and has tremendous movement. Norris never fought anyone who was as slick, smart, and defensively sound as Floyd. Of course ANY fighter can get caught with a big shot...Norris certainly did. Also, using the "slap and running" line is complete bs. Maybe...just maybe...that is why Mayweather has still has facilities but a fighter like Terry can't talk properly because of the punishment he took.

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Zab Judah matched Mayweathers handspeed for a few. A one trick pony Mosley had him reeling. Norris was a very physical sort and a seriosuly underrated boxer when he resisted. Still ranked a "p4p" best, Taylor set out to box like the wind that night..all changed when Norris matched his renowned speed and it ended in the power. You can box all you want until a guy kicks in the front door on you.

Come on. Mosley landed what, 2 or 3 real good punches in the first or second round? Rocked Floyd good, then Floyd made the adjustments and shut him out for the rest of the fight. Did Zab land anything meaningful? Come on, you're grasping at straws here.

You can say Terry Norris beats Floyd at 154. I have no problem with anyone thinking that, because despite his MANY flaws, Terry was a dangerous motherfucker in there.

But don't tell me you think that because of what Terry did to a washed up MELDRICK TAYLOR. Meldrick and Mayweather are completely different animals. Completely different styles. Meldrick was slick, but not in a Mayweather kind of way.

The point was that Floyd is not impervious to fast hands and when you consider natural size, speed and power of Norris..mayweather has never faced anything close to that and stayed dry. Frankly Mosley fought a dumb fight after his brief window and he went out to actually try to box with Floyd. He adjusted too, away from any sliver of a chance.

The comparison was to pure speed and closing down an all time fast handed guy and chopping down ring real estate. Norris had some serious speed and that fight flipped on its head with Taylor having his gameplan stripped away in 2nd. And it was Norris going down in weight. Made me think of Norris boxing class round 1 vs Julian Jackson..then the power came, in brutal fashion. Clearly Taylor had not the master footwork or backseat boxing mentality of Mayweather, but the totally washed up and shot talk gets thrown around way too easily in hindsight today. Taylor wore scars from Chavez but he wasn't so washed up that he couldn't rise a division, shut out a respectable champion and beat a top contender going into Norris fight. Both were ranked p4p top fighters in the world for whatever thats worth and Taylor was numero uno in his division! That fight was a throw back type match and a shot in the arm for the sport.

Why are we using the Floyd that fought Shane as an example? Floyd in his early days had as good a foot movement as any fighter i have seen. Terry was one bad dude...but he hardly was tight on his defense. Mayweather is incredibly accurate and has tremendous movement. Norris never fought anyone who was as slick, smart, and defensively sound as Floyd. Of course ANY fighter can get caught with a big shot...Norris certainly did. Also, using the "slap and running" line is complete bs. Maybe...just maybe...that is why Mayweather has still has facilities but a fighter like Terry can't talk properly because of the punishment he took.

Well because when talking speed combined one shot power in hypothetical 150ish a Mosley, Oscar or Judah would have to be the fastest? Absolutley correct, Floyd had the mobility of a cheetah even more in his early days, but he was also a lightweight, a jr welterweight. Not many at all could compose the total slick and defensive of Floyd but likewise, Mayweather has faced nothing like the complete package that Norris brought in natural size, speed and one shot power off boxing ability. Norris aggression could backfire, but he showed he could just as quickly box like a fool the next time out and make adjustments in the heat. Its hypothetical of course. I also think the slap and run shot was a bit cheap and Terry knows the difference. Paul Vaden was literally slap and run and had his purse withheld as a result of that non effort.

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Zab Judah matched Mayweathers handspeed for a few. A one trick pony Mosley had him reeling. Norris was a very physical sort and a seriosuly underrated boxer when he resisted. Still ranked a "p4p" best, Taylor set out to box like the wind that night..all changed when Norris matched his renowned speed and it ended in the power. You can box all you want until a guy kicks in the front door on you.

Come on. Mosley landed what, 2 or 3 real good punches in the first or second round? Rocked Floyd good, then Floyd made the adjustments and shut him out for the rest of the fight. Did Zab land anything meaningful? Come on, you're grasping at straws here.

You can say Terry Norris beats Floyd at 154. I have no problem with anyone thinking that, because despite his MANY flaws, Terry was a dangerous motherfucker in there.

But don't tell me you think that because of what Terry did to a washed up MELDRICK TAYLOR. Meldrick and Mayweather are completely different animals. Completely different styles. Meldrick was slick, but not in a Mayweather kind of way.

The point was that Floyd is not impervious to fast hands and when you consider natural size, speed and power of Norris..mayweather has never faced anything close to that and stayed dry. Frankly Mosley fought a dumb fight after his brief window and he went out to actually try to box with Floyd. He adjusted too, away from any sliver of a chance.

The comparison was to pure speed and closing down an all time fast handed guy and chopping down ring real estate. Norris had some serious speed and that fight flipped on its head with Taylor having his gameplan stripped away in 2nd. And it was Norris going down in weight. Made me think of Norris boxing class round 1 vs Julian Jackson..then the power came, in brutal fashion. Clearly Taylor had not the master footwork or backseat boxing mentality of Mayweather, but the totally washed up and shot talk gets thrown around way too easily in hindsight today. Taylor wore scars from Chavez but he wasn't so washed up that he couldn't rise a division, shut out a respectable champion and beat a top contender going into Norris fight. Both were ranked p4p top fighters in the world for whatever thats worth and Taylor was numero uno in his division! That fight was a throw back type match and a shot in the arm for the sport.

Why are we using the Floyd that fought Shane as an example? Floyd in his early days had as good a foot movement as any fighter i have seen. Terry was one bad dude...but he hardly was tight on his defense. Mayweather is incredibly accurate and has tremendous movement. Norris never fought anyone who was as slick, smart, and defensively sound as Floyd. Of course ANY fighter can get caught with a big shot...Norris certainly did. Also, using the "slap and running" line is complete bs. Maybe...just maybe...that is why Mayweather has still has facilities but a fighter like Terry can't talk properly because of the punishment he took.

Well because when talking speed combined one shot power in hypothetical 150ish a Mosley, Oscar or Judah would have to be the fastest? Absolutley correct, Floyd had the mobility of a cheetah even more in his early days, but he was also a lightweight, a jr welterweight. Not many at all could compose the total slick and defensive of Floyd but likewise, Mayweather has faced nothing like the complete package that Norris brought in natural size, speed and one shot power off boxing ability. Norris aggression could backfire, but he showed he could just as quickly box like a fool the next time out and make adjustments in the heat. Its hypothetical of course. I also think the slap and run shot was a bit cheap and Terry knows the difference. Paul Vaden was literally slap and run and had his purse withheld as a result of that non effort.

You can also make the point that Norris never faced a fighter like Floyd. Floyd is a different kind of beast. I am not going to hold it against him for not being an "old school" fighter in terms of being "all action." And you are right...it's all hypothetical since Floyd's best weight is clearly not 154. I am never one to say a guy like Norris couldn't have won or had success against Floyd. But i think one has to be fair and say the opposite could be just as true.