London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians

[Andre]

Back to the topic.

I dont know, so Im asking you guys: why is England looking for migrants?

If there is a new growth policy do you know who is behind it?

We have one here and its clearly developers who finance political parties campians who are behind ours.

Do you know and this is fact even Fenster fact which is 110% fact!

The Australian goverment has paid families who own orchards to bulldoze their trees flat and destroy their families farms ceasing production, selling their water rights back, so that we can import the same from China. This productive land is then developed for housing.
Add to this that in rural areas where new cities are being built there are a shortage of doctors and nurses etc.

We steal them from Bangladesh (a country already under the hammer from over population and too few professionals and health workers.) thousands are poached from 3rd world countries to fill our growth demands.

I'd be asking who is behind the scenes on this one?

Ours have been exposed fully we know who they are and their company interests, there are debates running and governments and oppositions not knowing which way to go for votes.We know here who is behind this growth plan but they have strings we are having trouble snipping.

Growth here is a short term fix on taxable income off setting pensions in an aged society.
Other than that, it is suicide for our future. We cannot sustain them they cannot sustain us. Water will be our issue too, Rain falls and flows to where there are now houses built on agricultural ground. We cant get that back,it is gone,again we have been sold up the river for political/business reasons who work on % on paper graphs not in real affects.

[Dark Lord Al]

I don't think it is a choice thing , it a euro directive.

[Andre]

If it is just the freedom of movement for EU workers only and the government havent thought it through 100%,what happens to the unemployed who need reeducating and placements?
Business will be backing this for one reason; because pretrained workers are cheaper.

[Kirkland Laing]

Every major economy is after cheap labour. Or at least the businesses that back the governments of every major economy want cheap labour. It's a net positive to the economy to let these people in although the positive bit all goes to the top 1% and the negatives all go to the population at large, competition for jobs, housing, school places and medical care etc.

[Andre]

Just the fact we are skimming off all the better health care workers from third world countries who need them more than we do in those over populated areas, is a tragedy and unjust.Aside from making local employment more difficult in the areas they turn up in.
Now they want to over populate us too,I dont get how they think it is sustainable,locally or globally. They are pulling down homes here to build larger roads into the cities and they are destroying our only local farmland just out of the city to create new housing for the new arrivals. The whole thing is a form of madness. I hate Chinese fruit and veg half of it is dry and never ripens so now they can it and send it,I hate their stupid tools that snap off and furniture that breaks down early. I recon their food imports have got all the agricultural chemicals in them that we banned years ago I know they have, cause they've killed all their bees via over use of chemical sprays and now use cheap labor to hand pollinate their shitty peaches and pears off ladders.
we are even getting their polluted sea food in cheap cans and we export our clean products off to Japan and other more wealthy places .

[Dia bando]

I feel this small Country of ours is over populated,! we are building on flood planes, the country
side is disappearing, under concrete and roads.!
This small island will be full to bursting point, we as a nation should grow more of our own food,
and produce more energy for our needs.

[Andre]

Im sure its developers behind all the politics.

[Gandalf]

Every major economy is after cheap labour. Or at least the businesses that back the governments of every major economy want cheap labour. It's a net positive to the economy to let these people in although the positive bit all goes to the top 1% and the negatives all go to the population at large, competition for jobs, housing, school places and medical care etc.

This post sums it up perfectly. All the silly positives such as 'I know lovely immigrants' and 'They are doing the jobs the English won't do' really boil down to the political elites having failed the nation and stop gaps are the solution. Ignore what caused the problems to begin with. The native English are vile scum and must be exterminated and they are making a solemn attempt at doing so.

[Beanz]

What a couple of arrogant clowns you both are. Farrage has announced today that he plans to dismantle the NHS. So it is the soothsayer of doom himself who now admits he aims to destroy this country without the need for immigrants. Most Brits and Americans don't leave their country, and yet you pair think you speak for them? Get over yourselves.

[ryanman]

Ok forget the '29 Million'. You still said 'the invasion is set for April 2014. Flights, trains and ferries WILL be crammed and you will be sorry'.

You were wrong. Any chance of admitting it?
Or is this one of those times where you didn't mean what you said and how could we be so unfair for assuming you did?
Cue others jumping with generalisations about immigration that aren't relevant.

This thread was about the massive influx of Romanians and Bulgarians that you said we were going to be hit with.
We said it wouldn't happen.
It didn't happen.
That simple.
Anything else is a different discussion.

[brocktonblockbust]

Ok forget the '29 Million'. You still said 'the invasion is set for April 2014. Flights, trains and ferries WILL be crammed and you will be sorry'.

You were wrong. Any chance of admitting it?
Or is this one of those times where you didn't mean what you said and how could we be so unfair for assuming you did?
Cue others jumping with generalisations about immigration that aren't relevant.

This thread was about the massive influx of Romanians and Bulgarians that you said we were going to be hit with.
We said it wouldn't happen.
It didn't happen.
That simple.
Anything else is a different discussion.

If you tell me flights etc are not crammed then yes I believe you since I'm not there. Are you saying there was/is no massive influx? I meant what I said about that. If it hasn't been as massive as I predicted I have no problem saying my prediction was wrong. Does that make you feel better?

[ryanman]

Ok forget the '29 Million'. You still said 'the invasion is set for April 2014. Flights, trains and ferries WILL be crammed and you will be sorry'.

You were wrong. Any chance of admitting it?
Or is this one of those times where you didn't mean what you said and how could we be so unfair for assuming you did?
Cue others jumping with generalisations about immigration that aren't relevant.

This thread was about the massive influx of Romanians and Bulgarians that you said we were going to be hit with.
We said it wouldn't happen.
It didn't happen.
That simple.
Anything else is a different discussion.

If you tell me flights etc are not crammed then yes I believe you since I'm not there. Are you saying there was/is no massive influx? I meant what I said about that. If it hasn't been as massive as I predicted I have no problem saying my prediction was wrong. Does that make you feel better?

Yeah it does actually. Makes me think some things are worth discussing after all.

[Gandalf]

Eh? I don't think calling people 'clowns' helps much. It's not our fault what Farage is being allowed to say in the press.

Have I ever supported the dismantling of the NHS? I simply advocate controlled borders like most countries in the world do. The NHS should never ever go and anyone who advocates as much needs shooting down at the ballot box and that is seemingly now UKIP, Labour, Lib Dem and Tory. Anyone involved in PFI's or the selling off of government contracts has committed high treason, no qualms with anyone on that score. Of course it doesn't matter what they say, it's already done. Was the mail service on the last agenda? Nope, and still that went. It's all being flogged off regardless of election based hot air. How is Farage going to destroy the UK anyway? Haven't Labour and Tory already done that? It is likely to be another establishment coalition regardless and if Farage wants to add a sparkler to the firework display, then shame on anyone that accepts the loss of the NHS. Immigration I can understand, but healthcare? No, I do not.

[brocktonblockbust]

Yes Miles labor and Tories destroyed it long ago. Let them think Nigel will destroy it though.

[Gandalf]

Farage says a few good interesting things that seem to have been copied from Ron Paul, but in terms of being a man of the people he only really seems to have immigration and you cannot be a man of the people if you are going to rubber stamp the death of a great institution like the NHS. Tony Benn was a man of the people and he was pro NHS and anti immigration. Traditional left wing politics was anti-immigration. That's what is missing from politics today: left wing with some bite. If there was a left wing version of Farage, the public would likely lap it up. However, the left just won't touch immigration and so Farage is able to lap it all up all too easily. It's a shame Labour are such troll sell outs. How easy was it for them to boot out Galloway, but seemingly impossible to be rid of Blair? Sell out snakes.