How is Tyson not the greatest heavyweight puncher?

[IamInuit]

I've been looking at "greatest puncher" lists and I'm very surprised to see that people actually rate several heavyweights as better punchers than Tyson.

I get it, I get it. Rating old timers above relatively newer guys makes you look more knowledgable... yeesh.

Were there guys that hit harder? Probably. Were there guys with faster hands? Probably.

But who had that combination of technique, speed and power? The ability to hurt a guy with any punch (including a jab), the ability to switch up between the head and the body?

Someone actually rated Joe Frazier as a better puncher than Mike Tyson. I wish I could spit in his face in person.

You know that could be true at times for people but its also true that there have been many big heavyweight punchers throughout boxing history. By saying what you did, you are doing the very same thing that you accuse others of doing. You are saying Tyson "is" regardless. I was going to chuck a few names out there but I wont. Tyson is the biggest puncher ever and nobody else even matters. I wouldn't want anybody to think that I'm acting smart or making it seem like I know something. Power in the heavyweight division begins in 1985 and ends in 2005.

[Spicoli]

Tyson's detonation of Botha was one of his most impressive one and done for me. He looked like he was hit with a 100mph bowling bowl. Tubbs though had been sparked more impressively by a Butler. Etienne. No

[Beanflicker]

You know that could be true at times for people but its also true that there have been many big heavyweight punchers throughout boxing history. By saying what you did, you are doing the very same thing that you accuse others of doing. You are saying Tyson "is" regardless. I was going to chuck a few names out there but I wont. Tyson is the biggest puncher ever and nobody else even matters. I wouldn't want anybody to think that I'm acting smart or making it seem like I know something. Power in the heavyweight division begins in 1985 and ends in 2005.

Now don't start getting butt hurt and using that sarcasm nonsense, let's talk about it like two boxing fans.

Who do you have in mind?

And I'm not talking about pure power. There is absolutely no doubt it my mind that guys like Shavers, Foreman, and probably quite a few others had more pure power than Tyson. Foreman had to have insane pure power because he was a wild-swinging, inaccurate slow motherfucker.

I'm talking the whole package: one-punch KO power in each hand, speed, technique, combination ability, types of punches used, ect.

Who do you have in mind? I'm totally open to suggestions.

But if you say John L Sullivan, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, or something along that line... you gotta get real man!

[Master]

Joe Louis had power, he had great timing. Jack Johnson knocking out Ketchell was brutal too. Rocky had raw power, did you see the shoulders of Dempsey? Murderous punchers.

[Beanflicker]

Joe Louis had power, he had great timing. Jack Johnson knocking out Ketchell was brutal too. Rocky had raw power, did you see the shoulders of Dempsey? Murderous punchers.

Great punchers. Murderous punchers.

I'm not saying everyone else stinks, Joe Louis and Marciano were brutal.

I just think when you consider everything, putting it all together, Tyson was the perfect punching machine.