Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora II: who wins?

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Its funny!

I can see people sticking to their guns purely because they cant stand Fury

Chisora was beaten by Fury when he had ambition and was undefeated. He had 3 or 4 months to get ready for that fight and was in 2 training camps to face Wladimir before that!

Chisora gets praise just for facing a Klitschko? Wlad promised the winner of Chisora Fury a title shot. After the fight, he baulks and then Vitali faces Chisora after he loses again! Makes sense doesnt it

As for Johnson not doing much V Fury and Klitschko. They are giants! Both can fight at a distance. Johnson is a clever, defensive, counter puncher and Chisora is a swarming brawler who has been getting tagged and hurt by much lesser fighters recently. Johnson is rubbing his hands together because his style is murder for Chisoras career!

His poor conditioning showed his lack of ambition. This was always his problem. You are making out Furys win over Chisora as something special but there is probably about 50 heavyweights who would have beat that version of Chisora. It means nothing.

I agree with you about people picking Chisora cz of their hate for Fury, which is a bit silly given Fury is also in much better shape then he was a few years ago. It should be a closer fight this time but Fury should be winning

I cant get past seeing Chisora having to back peddle against his last two opponents. They were shit!

Ok Tyson got hurt in his last fight but regardless what anyone says, he was in with a world class fighter who was in very good shape at 210lb. Someone said he was cutting water to get to cruiser, if thats the case hes obviously a much stronger fighter at his natural weight now. Fury has shown he can be hurt before hand whereas Chisora was always sturdy. Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

He just seems a more vulnerable fighter now. Maybe its the weght loss? He doesnt look any more cut or defined at the lower weight so he must have dropped as much muscle as fat. Whatever, hes not as strong as he was.

He will not be as effective against Fury as he was last time.

Johnson is much better than hes being given credit for and Chisora will be in his face all night which is what Johnson will want. If Chisora can be caught so easily by his last two opponents im sure Johnson will also catch him. The difference being Johnson has a touch of class and will be ale to keep Chisora hurt.

[Silkeyjoe]

Its funny!

I can see people sticking to their guns purely because they cant stand Fury

Chisora was beaten by Fury when he had ambition and was undefeated. He had 3 or 4 months to get ready for that fight and was in 2 training camps to face Wladimir before that!

Chisora gets praise just for facing a Klitschko? Wlad promised the winner of Chisora Fury a title shot. After the fight, he baulks and then Vitali faces Chisora after he loses again! Makes sense doesnt it

As for Johnson not doing much V Fury and Klitschko. They are giants! Both can fight at a distance. Johnson is a clever, defensive, counter puncher and Chisora is a swarming brawler who has been getting tagged and hurt by much lesser fighters recently. Johnson is rubbing his hands together because his style is murder for Chisoras career!

His poor conditioning showed his lack of ambition. This was always his problem. You are making out Furys win over Chisora as something special but there is probably about 50 heavyweights who would have beat that version of Chisora. It means nothing.

I agree with you about people picking Chisora cz of their hate for Fury, which is a bit silly given Fury is also in much better shape then he was a few years ago. It should be a closer fight this time but Fury should be winning

I cant get past seeing Chisora having to back peddle against his last two opponents. They were shit!

Ok Tyson got hirt in hos last fight but regardless what anyone says, he was in with a world class fighter who was in bery good shape at 210lb. Someone said he was cutting water to get to cruiser, if thats the case hes obviously a much stringer fighter at his natural weight now. Firy has shown he can been hurt before hand whereas Chisora was always sturdy. Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

He just seems a more vulnerable fighter now. Maybe its the weght loss? He doesnt look any more cut or defined at the lower weight so he must have dropped as much muscle as fat. Whatever, hes not as strong as he was.

He will not be as effective against Fury as he was last time.

Johnson is much better than hes being given credit for and Chisora will be in his face all night which is what Johnson will want. If Chisora can be caught so easily by his last two opponents im sure Johnson will also catch him. The difference being Johnson has a touch of class and will be ale to keep Chisora hurt.

I dont think Cunningham lost much water to make Cruiser, he could just eat what he wanted in preparation for heavyweight. Yes he would be sttronger at heavyweight but he still isnt strong.

Chisora might be more vulnerable, he might be a bit shot worn but it doesnt make a difference he is still going to have a better chance of beating Fury now because he will be able to let his hands go. Chisora was winning the fight against Fury in the 1st two round. Then he gassed and barely through a punch and just lay on the ropes and let Fury hit him. Now he will know he can go the distance and will be able to keep the pressure on Fury.

Will Furys power earn Chisoras respect? Its hard to know. Hes in a lot better shape now so should be stronger this time. He also looks like he knows how to use his size a bit better so will be able to drain Chisora by leaning on him. But this is all speculation as he hasnt shown much power before. Even Chisora being hurt by "2 european journeymen" doesnt mean Fury can hurt him as there is not much to suggest Fury has any more one punch power then these guys. Who has Fury one punched KOd? His power comes from accumulation but I have a feeling he wont let his hands go early on against Chisora because of his suspect chin.

[AdamGB]

Fury to spoil his way to an ugly UD.

[GAME]

Same result. They've both improved since the first fight. They've gained experience and fitness so it should be a better fight.

Now fury knows how to utilise his height and reach effectively he could make it easier on himself. He use to just get by on heart and never took advantage of the fact that the other guy would struggle yo land if he kept it long.

Chisora will come your ward like Frazier without the punch but get picked off

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Its funny!

I can see people sticking to their guns purely because they cant stand Fury

Chisora was beaten by Fury when he had ambition and was undefeated. He had 3 or 4 months to get ready for that fight and was in 2 training camps to face Wladimir before that!

Chisora gets praise just for facing a Klitschko? Wlad promised the winner of Chisora Fury a title shot. After the fight, he baulks and then Vitali faces Chisora after he loses again! Makes sense doesnt it

As for Johnson not doing much V Fury and Klitschko. They are giants! Both can fight at a distance. Johnson is a clever, defensive, counter puncher and Chisora is a swarming brawler who has been getting tagged and hurt by much lesser fighters recently. Johnson is rubbing his hands together because his style is murder for Chisoras career!

His poor conditioning showed his lack of ambition. This was always his problem. You are making out Furys win over Chisora as something special but there is probably about 50 heavyweights who would have beat that version of Chisora. It means nothing.

I agree with you about people picking Chisora cz of their hate for Fury, which is a bit silly given Fury is also in much better shape then he was a few years ago. It should be a closer fight this time but Fury should be winning

I cant get past seeing Chisora having to back peddle against his last two opponents. They were shit!

Ok Tyson got hirt in hos last fight but regardless what anyone says, he was in with a world class fighter who was in bery good shape at 210lb. Someone said he was cutting water to get to cruiser, if thats the case hes obviously a much stringer fighter at his natural weight now. Firy has shown he can been hurt before hand whereas Chisora was always sturdy. Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

He just seems a more vulnerable fighter now. Maybe its the weght loss? He doesnt look any more cut or defined at the lower weight so he must have dropped as much muscle as fat. Whatever, hes not as strong as he was.

He will not be as effective against Fury as he was last time.

Johnson is much better than hes being given credit for and Chisora will be in his face all night which is what Johnson will want. If Chisora can be caught so easily by his last two opponents im sure Johnson will also catch him. The difference being Johnson has a touch of class and will be ale to keep Chisora hurt.

I dont think Cunningham lost much water to make Cruiser, he could just eat what he wanted in preparation for heavyweight. Yes he would be sttronger at heavyweight but he still isnt strong.

Chisora might be more vulnerable, he might be a bit shot worn but it doesnt make a difference he is still going to have a better chance of beating Fury now because he will be able to let his hands go. Chisora was winning the fight against Fury in the 1st two round. Then he gassed and barely through a punch and just lay on the ropes and let Fury hit him. Now he will know he can go the distance and will be able to keep the pressure on Fury.

Will Furys power earn Chisoras respect? Its hard to know. Hes in a lot better shape now so should be stronger this time. He also looks like he knows how to use his size a bit better so will be able to drain Chisora by leaning on him. But this is all speculation as he hasnt shown much power before. Even Chisora being hurt by "2 european journeymen" doesnt mean Fury can hurt him as there is not much to suggest Fury has any more one punch power then these guys. Who has Fury one punched KOd? His power comes from accumulation but I have a feeling he wont let his hands go early on against Chisora because of his suspect chin.

Cunningham isnt strong? He dealt with the heavyweight version of Adamek tons better than Arreola could! Cunningham was robbed, Arreola lost clear and got battered!

Chisora did not win the first two rounds! You have to be blind, joking or very biased to give the first round to Chisora! Fury did all the work and made Chisora hold a few times from some nice left hooks! Watch it again...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eFvO3vMWMSw

[AdamGB]

Last I checked Arreola was fat, not strong.

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Last I checked Arreola was fat, not strong.

Hes contending the WBC title soon.

Is he a genuine heavy or not?

[erics44]

Last I checked Arreola was fat, not strong.

Hes contending the WBC title soon.

Is he a genuine heavy or not?

arreola is a genuine heavy, Cunningham was robbed against adamek, adamek did beat areola, fury dealt with Cunningham

fury has already beaten chiz

now with all of those facts/opinions you could put a jigsaw together in many ways, one way would be to suggest that all this proves fury is better than chiz, I don't agree with the picture you are building tho, particularly that chiz was ambitious at the time of the first fight and is less so now, I think it is much the opposite

I believe chisora is in a much better position to put up a fight against fury this time and I think there is very little between them

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Last I checked Arreola was fat, not strong.

Hes contending the WBC title soon.

Is he a genuine heavy or not?

arreola is a genuine heavy, Cunningham was robbed against adamek, adamek did beat areola, fury dealt with Cunningham

fury has already beaten chiz

now with all of those facts/opinions you could put a jigsaw together in many ways, one way would be to suggest that all this proves fury is better than chiz, I don't agree with the picture you are building tho, particularly that chiz was ambitious at the time of the first fight and is less so now, I think it is much the opposite

I believe chisora is in a much better position to put up a fight against fury this time and I think there is very little between them

There is one very important, blindingly obvious fact you have left out...

They have already fought. Both had the same amount of fights, both were unbeaten and Fury won almost every round.

Now if Chisora didnt train and Fury did, ultimately that still means hes a better fighter. Hes prepared to do what he needs to win each fight. Whether its actually train harder than his opponent, lean on them, hold their head up with an elbow, whatever, the man is going to be very difficult for anyone to beat. He has an amazing attitude. Believes in himself, talks down to people, makes us laugh, fights hard, entertains and wins.

[Memphis]

Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

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Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

You do realise their scuffle was before that?

Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.

[AdamGB]

Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

You do realise their scuffle was before that?

Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.

I'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! ). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.

I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching

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Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

You do realise their scuffle was before that?

Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.

I'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! ). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.

I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching

Your talking shit just to argue. Why do you think boxers have gloves on in the first place!

Obviously a bare knuckle punch is going to have more impact, do more damage than a gloved punch!!!

[AdamGB]

Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

You do realise their scuffle was before that?

Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.

I'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! ). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.

I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching

Your talking shit just to argue. Why do you think boxers have gloves on in the first place!

Obviously a bare knuckle punch is going to have more impact, do more damage than a gloved punch!!!

Gloves are to protect hands Ross. Watch UFC, they use Gloves with hardly any padding and they can't dish out what a boxer can with their fists.

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Maybe that shot he took off Haye it the Vitali press conference has affected his resiliance. It certainly wouldnt have helped it.

I dont want to start a conspiracy here but maybe it was the legal hammering he took in the ring from Haye?

You do realise their scuffle was before that?

Chisora took a full blooded bear knuckled right hand off Haye and didn't get knocked out but it may well have affected his long term ability to take a shot. It still wasn't just a single shot that Haye stopped him with but now Chisoras getting hurt left right and centre by journeymen.

I'm not so sure, you can punch a lot harder with gloves on than you do bare knuckle (unless you want your hands to shatter, I thought you said you boxed?! ). Haye's hand was fine afterwards, I'd be surprised if Chisora hadn't been hit harder dozens of times in sparring that year alone.
When you hear about people getting punched outside a pub and then slipping into a coma, it's usually because they were drunk... They topple over because their balance is gone and smack the back of their head on concrete.

I know you'd love us to think that Haye had to soften Chisora up at the press conference to be able to do what Fury failed to do but even for you, that's reaching

Your talking shit just to argue. Why do you think boxers have gloves on in the first place!

Obviously a bare knuckle punch is going to have more impact, do more damage than a gloved punch!!!

Gloves are to protect hands Ross. Watch UFC, they use Gloves with hardly any padding and they can't dish out what a boxer can with their fists.

You are looking like a bunch of silly little morons.

Would you rather take a clean right hand off Haye with a gloved fist or bare knuckle?

Argument over