Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
Levin and Beck are bums!

Valuev might be a decent heavyweight but jesus when will he fight guys that DESERVE title shots What the F*** has Monte Barrett done since losing to Rahman?

I don't take Valuev for real because he hasn't done anything legit. Wlad TKO'd Chris Byrd, he decisioned Sam Peter, and he flattened Monte Barrett faster than Valuev will!

Honestly if Monte comes to fight he could pull the upset off

Valuev and Maskaev are the weakest title holders out there, Lyakhovich isn't that far ahead...Wlad is CLEARLY the best
Hi Lyle,

A) I think you are being ungenerous to Levin and Beck, but ok they are not a level, still they are in shape prize fighters and they would expose a complete fraud. ok? Ruiz and Donald are good. Ok? They just barely beat Valuev arguably. So valuev is on their level at least. And that is enough to make him a respectable fighter.

b) You are right to think that Valuev has not faced the toughest opposition he would be able to deal with. But is that not to accept that he is not a joke but actually capable of more than he has done so far?

c) As you know every observer says that Valuev is getting better all the time.

And this said Vitaly is the HW God, (Im in denial) WK is the greatest and will be for a long time. He already beat the hardest guy in Peter. There is no a huge gap between Wlad and the rest. I love MAskaev for his guts and perseverance and human qualitites, but he is too slow for Wlad. (He beats him 1 in 10 bc early TKO) Lyakovich is good but not ready for WK and will never be. Valuev is too slow for WK. Toney is too small. Thats it you are right.

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