over trained

[Master]

I know someone on here said Mosely over trained against Floyd which why he could not capitalise from round 2.

Also read a book where Sugar Ray Robinson's trainer said to him to take some time off because he was getting stale in sparring. I know it can happen but like some posters have said it is very unprofessional to end up that way.

[cambay411]

I know someone on here said Mosely over trained against Floyd which why he could not capitalise from round 2.

Also read a book where Sugar Ray Robinson's trainer said to him to take some time off because he was getting stale in sparring. I know it can happen but like some posters have said it is very unprofessional to end up that way.

As far as fighters on this level (or on any level for that matter), I think over training is the worst excuse they could come up with. At the same time its one of the most legit things that can really effect you during a fight.


Its the worst excuse because you can control it, there is no obvious signs of it, there is no way to prove it, etc, etc (im sure I can come up with many more). Even if an athlete is severly over trained going into an event, if they lose then the opponent was purely better trained on that night. The athlete is healthy but their opponent trained better and is better on that night.


Its one of the most legit things that will really hurt you in the ring because when you over train its gonna hurt your cardio and that's the worst thing that can happen to you in the ring.

[boxing prospect]

It does happen but it's an over-used excuse.

If you follow the Thai scene you see their top fighters fighter 6, 7, 8 times a year. Sure the bouts are often mismatches but they help keep the guy sharp and in ring condition. A guy like Srisaket can't blow up between fights because he's back out in 6 weeks.

[greynotsoold]

You can certainly over train. This is one of the hallmarks of a great trainer, getting a guy to peak at the right time. This used to be tied real tight to a guy having to make weight the day of the fight.
Now, that has gone the way of the dinosaur, along with teaching a guy how to fight. But being over trained used to refer to the improper shedding of weight.

[Vendettos]

I disagree that you can overtrain.

You can however underrest, they sound similar but they are not.

You can't over train because your body won't let you, you can train a exact amount based on your energy intake and general health, stamina, strength, etc.

It's the lack of rest that would be the issue, for instance.

Unrealistic
Energy 100%
Mon - Gym day - 80%
Tue - Gym day - 60%
Wed - Gym day - 40%
Thur - Rest day - 100%

Realistic
Energy 100%
Mon - Gym day - 83%
Tue - Gym day - 57%
Wed - Gym day - 20%
Thur - Rest day - 75%

It's this type of non linear statistic that can ruin a muscle or fool you into feeling fit as a fiddle, as it is a fact that people believe in a 2/1 or 3/1 ratio. They believe that if they train 3 or 2 days then 1 EXACT day of rest is enough, which simply is rarely the case. You don't decrease by exactly 20% a day for 3 days at the gym, then back to 100% after 1 rest day.

As for fighters who make the kind of money Kessler made against Froch in the second fight, they should be much more aware and should have the type of team around them who can judge these things.

I believe Kessler was tired and did gas out, but most use it purely as an excuse.

[cambay411]

I disagree that you can overtrain.

You can however underrest, they sound similar but they are not.

You can't over train because your body won't let you, you can train a exact amount based on your energy intake and general health, stamina, strength, etc.

It's the lack of rest that would be the issue, for instance.

Unrealistic
Energy 100%
Mon - Gym day - 80%
Tue - Gym day - 60%
Wed - Gym day - 40%
Thur - Rest day - 100%

Realistic
Energy 100%
Mon - Gym day - 83%
Tue - Gym day - 57%
Wed - Gym day - 20%
Thur - Rest day - 75%

It's this type of non linear statistic that can ruin a muscle or fool you into feeling fit as a fiddle, as it is a fact that people believe in a 2/1 or 3/1 ratio. They believe that if they train 3 or 2 days then 1 EXACT day of rest is enough, which simply is rarely the case. You don't decrease by exactly 20% a day for 3 days at the gym, then back to 100% after 1 rest day.

As for fighters who make the kind of money Kessler made against Froch in the second fight, they should be much more aware and should have the type of team around them who can judge these things.

I believe Kessler was tired and did gas out, but most use it purely as an excuse.

Good post Vendettos and your exactly right.


However you can definitely over train and it is different than what your describing above.


The effects of over training are more profound and takes longer to recover from. I would say over training occurs from consistant under resting.


When your under rested you can take a few days off and jump back in like you never left off. You easily get back to intense, full work outs that your used to.


If your over trained you can get rested up but when you jump back in its like your starting all over. You will still wont go as many rounds as you want and you have to build back up. All the gains you thought you were getting while over training were actually losses.