Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
I do not believe in the concept that a fighter can over train and become stale. A fit and active fighter is better than a fighter who is peaking for a fight. Show me a fighter who says they over trained and I show you someone who has just lost.

Its a fine line imo. I think the guys that are actually effected by it never use it as an excuse. One of my favourite fighters Ricky Hatton at times looked flat or sluggish like he left his best performance at the gym. Now in his case as everyone knows he really went humpty dumpty in between fights. So in a way I dont see how he was able to yoyo like that w/o over training. He had to overdue it. No pain, no gain. I dont recall Ricky ever using it as an excuse.

I think people can confuse over training with those who are forced to rip and tear to make the scales because they have no business fighting there. So by that, many, many "overtrain". Many of those and in many cases have issues with re hydration. We all metabolize differently and some of those subtle differences at times have more then a subtle effect. Some have mastered the process and get it down to a science until their body refuses to cooperate as they age. Morales is a great example of this when he fought at 122. I remember my jaw dropping on several occasions because he looked like rice paper covering a skeleton. Then at fight time, he looked like a full fitted lightweight or close to it and proceeded.

So in that sense I suppose everybody is over training so its illogical to attempt to use it as an excuse knowing full well that over training per say is part of the job description.

Take the Oscar/Manny scenario. Oscar never over-trained.He simply provided more evidence of the stupid gene.Not to be undone, Chad Dawson years later decided to attempt to one up him. Oscar had not made welter in close to 10 years and had issues with the weight in the first Shane fight at the end of his prime. Its the reason the second fight was at 154.

A cocaine and watermelon diet may help you lose weight rapidly but it wont help you on fight night. Now I dont know if that's what he did but he did royally F-up. He made 145 and then only rehydrated 2 freakin pounds over 24 hours and it showed. They should have just nailed his feet to the floor and been done with it.

Yoyo weight's are a real problem and when it backfires on people "overtraining" is the go to term.