9-11...after all this time do you really think it was terrorists?

[El Kabong]

it amazes me how fucking dumb you can be miles.

Saddam Hussein had already violated conditions which he was bound to uphold under threat of further hostilities.


The United States needed nothing else to attack Iraq....am I the only one that sees that? To end a war you have a treaty, if the conditions of the treaty are not kept in good faith you have another war...that is what happened with Iraq.


Is it just that my explanation is too simple for you to comprehend? My explanation makes too much sense for you guys?

[Gandalf]

If any nation in the world should be under UN sanctions it is America. To even waffle about saddam is false as anything Saddam has done, America has done so much worse. Did Saddam perv on people on their webcams like Obama? Did he destroy millions in multiple invaded nations? Saddam was small fry compared to the real international villain of the past 50 years and back on topic, Saddam was NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11.

[El Kabong]

If any nation in the world should be under UN sanctions it is America. To even waffle about saddam is false as anything Saddam has done, America has done so much worse. Did Saddam perv on people on their webcams like Obama? Did he destroy millions in multiple invaded nations? Saddam was small fry compared to the real international villain of the past 50 years and back on topic, Saddam was NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11.

People, here you see the TRADEMARK of the conspiracy nut. A rational person (such as myself) will make a comment, based in fact, a comment which can be backed up by fact and TRUE history not revisionist history. This comment is met with off topic nonsense and inane ramblings by the conspiracy nut (played by miles in this example) in order to throw me off track or at least confuse people who might attempt to follow a my train of thought in this debate.

At the end of The Persian Gulf War Saddam was given some guidelines to go by if he wanted to continue his reign. He did not follow those guidelines and thus war was declared.

I mentioned nothing about Saddam spying, nothing about Saddam invading nations (which he did do, but I didn't mention it), nothing about Saddam killing people (again, he DID do that but I didn't mention that specifically because I wanted to stay on topic), I did not say that Saddam or Iraq were linked to 9/11 attacks, and I did not compare or contrast Saddam with the United States.

You see miles it is very simple, if Saddam followed the guidelines he'd still be alive and still be running Iraq. But he chose not to follow those guidelines and therefore he was overthrown, tried by a tribunal convicted and sentenced to death.


But again, I'll have stated facts and miles will retreat into his typical "America is the root of all evil"

[Gandalf]

I am not having that. You have just made up the criteria.

Let's stick to the basic facts about Saddam.
1. No WMD
2. No link to 9-11
3. In many years a far less dangerous state than America.
4. Historically speaking the US is one of the worst, Saddam is popcorn.

Saddam is nothing to do with 9-11. This is the conspiracy. You are coming into this thread and are ranting about Saddam and he had nothing to do with 9-11.

Maybe the conspiracy is why you are in this thread. We know that the NSA likes to stir things up, is that your latest role.

[Gandalf]

Also did I say anything that cannot be backed up? Lyle hasn't been reading enough Glenn Greenwald perhaps. My information is always on the ball.

[brocktonblockbust]

Saddam Hussein was a true man. He was attacked by Kurds from Erbil and Kirkuk, assassination attempts, one in 1984 and another in 1989. So he struck back at their village, Halabja. Just like the usa struck back at David Koresh in Waco Texas. They killed innocent people. So did saddam. Fuck off, amerikkka.

[brocktonblockbust]

the usa had no right to "give" Saddam any "conditions" to adhere to. He didnt have to abide by anything the usa said. who the fuck is the usa to impose their desires on Saddam Huseein? He was a true man who didnt bend over and take it up the ass. Like everyone else does when amerikkka "gives" them "conditions" to abide by.

Saddam exposed the hypocrisy of amerikkka. No legitimacy for amerikkka. Why impose conditions and requirements on saddam when Israel has violated over 2 thousand UN Sec Council resolutions since 1948 without any pemnalties at all? The UN Sec Coucnil is illegitiamte. And saddam exposed it.

[Gandalf]

If any nation in the world should be under UN sanctions it is America. To even waffle about saddam is false as anything Saddam has done, America has done so much worse. Did Saddam perv on people on their webcams like Obama? Did he destroy millions in multiple invaded nations? Saddam was small fry compared to the real international villain of the past 50 years and back on topic, Saddam was NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11.

People, here you see the TRADEMARK of the conspiracy nut. A rational person (such as myself) will make a comment, based in fact, a comment which can be backed up by fact and TRUE history not revisionist history. This comment is met with off topic nonsense and inane ramblings by the conspiracy nut (played by miles in this example) in order to throw me off track or at least confuse people who might attempt to follow a my train of thought in this debate.

At the end of The Persian Gulf War Saddam was given some guidelines to go by if he wanted to continue his reign. He did not follow those guidelines and thus war was declared.

I mentioned nothing about Saddam spying, nothing about Saddam invading nations (which he did do, but I didn't mention it), nothing about Saddam killing people (again, he DID do that but I didn't mention that specifically because I wanted to stay on topic), I did not say that Saddam or Iraq were linked to 9/11 attacks, and I did not compare or contrast Saddam with the United States.

You see miles it is very simple, if Saddam followed the guidelines he'd still be alive and still be running Iraq. But he chose not to follow those guidelines and therefore he was overthrown, tried by a tribunal convicted and sentenced to death.


But again, I'll have stated facts and miles will retreat into his typical "America is the root of all evil"

You will see my post was on point and good. You just went into Alex Jones land and the reasons are your own. I like America and you know it, but I hate bullshit. I thought you did too, but it only matters when it is domestic policy.

[Gandalf]

I'm not really sure why you are having difficulty applying the same international standards to your own country. Currently your country is talking about banning Russia from the G8 and imposing sanctions, but these same standards are never applied to your country, when logic would dictate that they should be.

It is these kinds of double standards that bother people. Iraq should never have been under sanctions as logic would dictate that America should have already been sanctioned. Oh, but 'Saddam had to go'. Well, most would say the same about the Western puppets too. Where is their justice? It's not conspiracy to say that there are double standards.

[brocktonblockbust]

ameriKKKa needs to go. it thinks it can tell every country what to do. and coerce it to do its bidding. ultimate in arrogance. when you travel abroad you really meet thousands and thousands of people who say "thank God you Steve are not the typical amerikkkan!" I do not blindly support amerikkka, "love it or leave it" was the slogan---that just tells you something right there---the inflexibility, the Nazi-ism----"love it or leave it"----fuck you scumbags----- what does that mean? TOW THE COMPANY LINE, DONT COMPLAIN, BE HAPPY WHAT YOU GOT, YOU COULD BEIN CUBA, BLAH BLAH BLAH----It means DONT THINK. DONT QUESTION. I actually saw billboards in Arizona during the Gulf "WAR" that read :

STOP QUESTIONING YOUR LEADERS! BE A PATRIOT! IF YOURE NOT FOR US, YOURE AGAINST US!!

That sums up the idiocy of amerikkka. It is frightening. more frightening that when you point this out, ameriKKKins dont see it. Refuse to see it. In denial.

""" hey, bitch, dont talk shit 'bout 'Murrica."""

[Spicoli]

I've never believed it some 'inside job' or a direct Government action. No way. Now if we're talking inaction, playing both sides and misguided foreign policy coming back to bite us in the ass..its not the first time. Shit, how we still act shocked about Japan attacking us is a little shallow. As far as Iraq and to sound 100 proof cynical...I thought then and still do that it was done only as a swerve to basically illustrate and show conventional military action and direct results to a nation looking and expecting such. You were not getting that in Afghanistan and it was unobtainable in a literal sense. The majority of Americans believed he had a direct hand in the attacks and the prop men and carnival barkers in Washington were just fine with that, they loved it! Iraq was a travisty. We had tremendous leverage after hit and Saddam was pretty much shitting himself knowning payback was on our mind, they probally could have gone in stealthy, not disbanded the army ffs and basically cut the head off with few knowing. alright I'm done Popping off like a fool...keeping with tradition its off to the midnight grill to eat dead bbq cow, drink cheap inferior booze and yell to my neighbors wife. 'Murrica rules bitches!

[Beanz]

What a load of inconsistent hypocrisy. Saddam was not a true man, the crusades have nothing to do with it and spying on people is not the same thing as considered genocide. Seeking to give legitimacy to those who would willingly murder people of all nations just because the buildings targeted were in America a country you have decided is the new Satan just removes any credence from your own argument. It is only by inventing the notion that 9/11 was an inside job that you can then backwards engineer half the conspiracy theories that people seem to enjoy. What are you trying to prove? That everybody else but yourselves and Alex Jones are unsophisticated naive simpletons ? It's both disrespectful of the dead and motivated by a desire to make everything seem pointless and remove responsibility from your own hands and blame others not stupid enough to be spoonfed krap from the corporate, capitalist conspiracy business. Sucky,sucky, five dollah?

[Gandalf]

What a load of inconsistent hypocrisy. Saddam was not a true man, the crusades have nothing to do with it and spying on people is not the same thing as considered genocide. Seeking to give legitimacy to those who would willingly murder people of all nations just because the buildings targeted were in America a country you have decided is the new Satan just removes any credence from your own argument. It is only by inventing the notion that 9/11 was an inside job that you can then backwards engineer half the conspiracy theories that people seem to enjoy. What are you trying to prove? That everybody else but yourselves and Alex Jones are unsophisticated naive simpletons ? It's both disrespectful of the dead and motivated by a desire to make everything seem pointless and remove responsibility from your own hands and blame others not stupid enough to be spoonfed krap from the corporate, capitalist conspiracy business. Sucky,sucky, five dollah?

Have I ever said Saddam was a true man? No, I haven't. My previous post explains what I think and maybe you have read it or just watched Alex Jones, I don't know. But either way nothing you say makes sense to me. Saddam was invaded for WMD. Nothing more. Nothing should ever be added to Saddam beyond the script to destroy Blair.

I am my own person and what I say is me. You say drivel like make up your own mind don't listen to A, B, and C. That annoys me because you are condescending and don't know what I am doing. When commenting on Crimea, I have no idea what Galloway thinks, or Chomsky, but you say crap like I am the sheep. I do read your media and I see that you are sheep. I formulated my views on my own and they are still correct. It is you that is the bleating lamb. I have all the time to formulate my views and maybe you do too, but most don't. I know I have time and won't be warped by idiots.

You seem to have some particular aversion to Noam Chomsky. What is it? Because he himself is smarter than you? That he is more able than you? He holds down the TRUTH for half a century and still does it and yes, I agree with him. You can accuse me of being arrogant and whatever, but not Chomsky, and yet you do. That is your hypocrisy. Chomsky's politics are on a line with mine, but they follow your curve a lot too. You are very arrogant.

The real world is that Europe will fall, Britain has to collapse, America, Japan and Europe too. The UK itself is commiting suicide. The Lib Dem greatest idea 'let immigrants bring parents and grandparents'. Haha, do you know the real world? Not really, you have no idea. The UK is the centre of lots of crazy stuff. Nobody imports extended family and for good reason, it will further kill the economy! You will likely love the idea as you live there, live sheltered, and don't see the world.

[smashup]

Anyone that believes a building (WTC 7) can just fall down without being touched is one of 3 things...

Thick as shit

Deluded

On a wind up

There is no way on earth that can possibly happen unless it was pre rigged with controlled explosives and that fact alone is all the proof anyone needs that foul play was used.

But the ultimate proof has nothing to do with any of the buildings "collapsing" just the simple fact that no military planes were scrambled to engage and shoot down FOUR stray passenger jets.

A radio message from one of the crew on the New York bound plane was sent saying 2 of the crew had been stabbed and one has his throat cut and that the plane had been hijacked but still no military planes were sent , this Is 100% fact and was 17 minutes after take off so the US air traffic control knew that soon there was a major problem very early in the day and the military should have been notified within minutes.

Again that is fact and also known as Protocol!

Fact
There were 67 military scrambles over US skies between sept 2000 and June 2001.

The Pentagon like the MI5 building is armed with surface to air missiles but none were used even though the plane allegedley "crashed" 40 minutes after the second WTC plane did (again no military planes were scrambled).

Then the Pennsylvania "crash" happened 67 minutes after the second WTC "crash" and still no military jets sent.

This is the most powerful and largest military nation in the world remember and also very bad liars


http://www.globalissues.org/article/476/where-was-the-air-force-the-real-question-on-9-11

[Gandalf]

Anyone that believes a building (WTC 7) can just fall down without being touched is one of 3 things...

Thick as shit

Deluded

On a wind up

There is no way on earth that can possibly happen unless it was pre rigged with controlled explosives and that fact alone is all the proof anyone needs that foul play was used.

But the ultimate proof has nothing to do with any of the buildings "collapsing" just the simple fact that no military planes were scrambled to engage and shoot down FOUR stray passenger jets.

A radio message from one of the crew on the New York bound plane was sent saying 2 of the crew had been stabbed and one has his throat cut and that the plane had been hijacked but still no military planes were sent

The Pentagon like the MI5 building is armed with surface to air missiles but none were used even though the plane allegedley "crashed" 40 minutes after the second WTC plane did (again no military planes were scrambled).

Then the Pennsylvania "crash" happened 67 minutes after the second WTC "crash" and still no military jets sent.

This is the most powerful and largest military nation in the world remember and also very bad liars


Where Was the Air Force? The Real Question on 9-11 — Global Issues

So, this is the government shill. And oh so obvious considering you haven't formulated a single idea.