Quote Originally Posted by jehoshaphat View Post
I really thought that sensible boxing people would be exhausted with the Pac/PBF non fight discussions. But for the bias to still be so obvious after almost 5 years is remarkable. Anybody entirely blaming one side without acknowledging the other side's blame is either trolling or outright bias. If were going to debate an old and tired discussion then lets try an "only facts" thread. This should eliminate most of the bias/trolling which only muddies the water and makes for only an argument. Saying one is afraid of the other is an opinion or one is/was using PEDs is merely an accusation. To make a thread over Floyd and act like Pac didn't have very questionable tactics and some outright lies is not a debate. In this particular situation Floyd is kind of a bully(Finitoin negotiations. He pushes until he gets his way and I really think this is the wrong approach for Pac who is the closest to matching Floyd in drawing power. Everybody else has to accept most of it but Pac does have some wiggle room. Lets challenge each other with facts only. Can anybody who thinks its all Floyd's fault explain the Pac lies when he first said no to the testing because he was afraid of needles.(Tattoos) Lie 1. Then agreed to a 30 days before the fight cut off because he felt he would get weak by blood draw too close to the fight. On 24/7 for the Hatton fight it showed Pac getting his blood drawn with less than 2 weeks to the fight. Lie 2. Explain why Pac demanded if Floyd was overweight he would be penalized at the tune of $10 million per pound. How does one explain that Pac turned down $40 million straight up because it wasn't enough but later states the fight isn't about the money and in fact he would fight for free and the money go to charity if Floyd agrees to give his money to charity as well. If Pac really thought Floyd was afraid of him then when Floyd called him personally to offer $40 million all he had to do was call his bluff and say yes and see if there was going to be any backpedaling. I think Pac is being misrepresented and it makes Pac look bad. I personally don't think either fighter is afraid of the other but I do think both teams have their concerns with their legacy, power, and status and we will forever have a stalemate.
Lies, half truths and erroneous information IS a part of debate. What planet do you live on?