SugarJ's World Boxing Rankings

**Lineal** · 03-13-2014 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Master

Are you not going to do the more contentious p4p rating?

Also Andre Ward has not fought world class at light heavy?

Hi thanks for the support Master.

Not interested in P4P lists. There is no set criteria and I don't really find them relevant.

I'm glad you asked about Andre Ward at 175. Chad Dawson held the championship, he fought Ward below the 175 limit & lost. Thus Ward claimed the championship.

The same situation happened in 1931 when Jackie "Kid" Berg fought Tony Canzoneri. Berg was the recognized champion at Jr. Welter, while Canzoneri was the Lightweight champion. Both titles were on the line.

I had Edwin Rodriguez rated at #10 based on his victory over Denis Grachev which was fought in the light-heavyweight division.

Having to relinquish 1 title for another is a modern thing. Henry Armstrong held 3 championships at once! I'd like to give today's fighters the opportunity to achieve those heights if they are willing to try for them.

**Master** · 03-13-2014 07:11 PM

I respectfully disagree but appreciate where you are coming from. If Dawson loses at super middle then strictly speaking he is still champion at light heavy. He has been beaten by Stevenson who should be number 1.

**Lineal** · 03-19-2014 01:57 AM

Ratings have been updated.

Sugar's World Boxing Rankings | Legitimate unbiased ratings

**Lineal** · 03-25-2014 01:11 AM

Thank you for all the support. I have updated the most recent ratings.

Sugar's World Boxing Rankings | Legitimate unbiased ratings

**Master** · 03-25-2014 08:08 PM

I can understand Floyd being considered the best light middle but not Ward at light heavy, but looks good.

**Lineal** · 03-26-2014 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by Master

I can understand Floyd being considered the best light middle but not Ward at light heavy, but looks good.

I understand where your coming from but as I have said before, I want to give fighters the opportunity to hold multiple championships simultaneously if they can meet the requirements.

Ward defeated Dawson under the light-heavyweight limit so as far as I am concerned he won the championship.

I have used the Tony Canzoneri vs Jackie 'Kid' Berg fight as example before where the Jr. Welter and Lightweight titles were on the line. Canzoneri won the Jr. Welterweight title weighing in at the lightweight limit.

Another example would be Sugar Ray Leonard winning a light-heavyweight title from Donny Lalonde while weighing in at the super-middleweight limit.