Is this the worst era in HW boxing history?

[mrbig1]

Max let me say this again this era could beat most eras from the 60's back because most were not heavyweights. The 90's shits on this division it is by far the best era even with the 70's if not better. But yet again Foreman and Holmes competed in there fucking 40's with 90's guys and the best guy of the 00's could not beat a ageing Lewis so i don't think this era would destroy the 70's 80's and only people the 60's that be good enough to win are Liston and Ali thats about it. People underrate this time now but that doesnt mean you got to overrated it to balance it out. Shit i think people like Brock acutal think the Rock could hang now which is even worse he would of got his ass kicked. Saying that he was great for his time be a good cw now which is his weight class if not lhw.

You can't compare one era vs another. People are bigger and stronger today. Fighters today can beat 188 pound Rocky. With todays diet and training could they beat a 225 pound Rocky or a 235 pound Joe Louis.

[ykdadamaja]

When Lewis had his ass handed to him by Vitali, THAT was the start of the end for HW boxing... Lewis cleaned it up, but there were no more fights to be made.

Wlad and Vitali just beat up on guys Lewis would mop the effing floor with. If Wlad, Vitali, took 5 rounds, Lewis would do it in 2.

These guys ain't real. The realest dude out here is Arreola... followed by Pulev... and then Wilder and Tony Thompson right after.... and that's not saying it's all grande, either.

[nuggetdotcom]

If you actually think about it HW boxing has been a bit hit and miss for some time, which probably says why the main american interest is on intermediate weights now. Quality heavyweights as follows, the rest are pub debates.
Joe Louis (arguably the best)
Rocky Marciano (argualbly the luckiest because all his contempories were over 40 years old)
Cassius Clay
Mike Tyson (until his hype bubble burst)
Lennox Lewis
Vitali Klitschko (may well have retired now, good luck to him after his featherbedded reign)
Vladimir Klitschko (getting more silly but the results are there)

The rest of the heavyweights for the last 60 years are just pub argument fodder, and long may the arguments continue! As a brit I still reckon our best chance was David Haye (in 50 years of watching our heavyweights), but we've now lost our bragging rights.

Shame really, the middleweights are looking good though!

[Max Power]

Mr140 I have to disagree with the whole thread really.

What exactly is your criteria for saying this is a shit HW era?

Because for a books worth of reasons this era is definitely better than virtually all others in any aspects like talent of the fighters involved or their h2h capabilities against them.

The 70's was a really weak era, no doubt. At the time of Frazier vs Ali, the crowd BOOED Ali for a stinker of a fight! Now it's regarded as the FOTC! Ha!

The 80's was considered a very weak era early on with Holmes, Witherspoon, Smith shining bright but nothing really special, Later that decade was boosted by Mike Tyson who saved it somewhat.

Sure, the 90's was probably the best era but your perception of Vitali v s Lewis is way different than mine. Vitali did retire Lewis, and he went on to carry the flag for some further dominant and prominent beatdowns of dangerous 00's fighters.

I feel the 00 era was of comparable calibre to the 90's, the only difference imo is that a lot of the fighters involved and the dominant forces in it were NOT American or even British.

[Max Power]

Further if you want to call Manny Stewards version of Wladimir Klitschko boring and label that as a reason why HW boxing has become shit, I can buy that.

But trying to do the same for Vitali I don't understand, his fights are every bit as exciting as Lewis's and equally bloody.

[powerpuncher]

other than the klits, everybody else is a C class fighter at best.

[ruthless rocco]

The current heavyweight division is a joke!

If you believe otherwise you're probably a stupid fucking moron from Australia who thinks he knows about boxing but not enough to involve himself in the current prediction contest.

[Beanflicker]

I think the HW division of the last 10 years is severely underrated.

But I think we're really heading into a horrible era... when the Klitschkos are gone, who the fuck is going to carry the torch?

[Bo-Bo24]

I think the HW division of the last 10 years is severely underrated.

But I think we're really heading into a horrible era... when the Klitschkos are gone, who the fuck is going to carry the torch?

Wilder, the Fury's, Anthony Joshua, Mike Perez, Andy Ruiz jr, The New Zealand fighter Joseph Parker all look like they'll be good prospects and hopefully one or two will emerge from the amateurs too. With Wladimir going I hope it will make sure top 20 fighters actually fight each other rather than all lining up for a payday waiting for their title shot. Whether or not any fighter can get to the level that the Klitschko's have reached though is another matter.

[Mr140]

Mention him max because one of the best people he ever fought which is sad. I mean a 48 year old Holyfeild should of got a nod against the gaint which is Haye best win. Haye lost damn near ever fucking round to Wlad and it is not like Haye is old. Holyfeild put a way better fight against Lewis at 37 and Lewis is a better version of Wald. Holyfeild still has hart problems and did have hep b in the Moorer and Bowie fights as well which kinda a big deal. Also you say Haye was green yet when you bring up Holyfeild loses most of them he was 40 and up in the age department Holyfeild on a different level that is all.

[powerpuncher]

Mention him max because one of the best people he ever fought which is sad. I mean a 48 year old Holyfeild should of got a nod against the gaint which is Haye best win. Haye lost damn near ever fucking round to Wlad and it is not like Haye is old. Holyfeild put a way better fight against Lewis at 37 and Lewis is a better version of Wald. Holyfeild still has hart problems and did have hep b in the Moorer and Bowie fights as well which kinda a big deal. Also you say Haye was green yet when you bring up Holyfeild loses most of them he was 40 and up in the age department Holyfeild on a different level that is all.

i learned from experience that you cant argue with maxpower because he doesnt trust opinions of fighters, historians, or experts (im not joking, he has said it straight forward). he assumes that everybody who has been in the sport or has studied the sport for years dont know what they are talking about but he does because he is smart.

for example, fighter A says that their competition was more difficult than today. maxpower doesnt believe it because they are bias. another example, a boxing historian who has seen tons of fights over their decades of life has been able to analyze fighters from all of the eras that they have watched and claim that fighters from the previous eras were better. maxpower says that they are bias. then maxpower says that modern fighters are better and that david haye would beat ali and KO joe louis in 1 round. then says that if you dont believe that then you are ignorant.

so unless thats the kind of person you want to argue with, i would just let it go. just some advice

[Hulk]

When Lewis had his ass handed to him by Vitali, THAT was the start of the end for HW boxing... Lewis cleaned it up, but there were no more fights to be made.

Wlad and Vitali just beat up on guys Lewis would mop the effing floor with. If Wlad, Vitali, took 5 rounds, Lewis would do it in 2.

These guys ain't real. The realest dude out here is Arreola... followed by Pulev... and then Wilder and Tony Thompson right after.... and that's not saying it's all grande, either.

Lewis didn't get his ass handed to him by Vitali.

He fought a terrible sloppy fight n won.

[beenKOed]

Truthfully, I don't care, I'm not going to waste time dwelling on the past and bemoaning the present. I'm having trouble and fun keeping up with what's happening in boxing now.
The focus is on the smaller weights, where all the action is and where it should be.

[Master]

The challengers are truly awful, out of shape and could not give a toss if they win because it will be their turn again soon.

Vitali has retired but Wlad will remain and keep the titles together. It would be far worse without the Klit brothers keeping it all together.

The Klit brothers are the best but they are not great.

[Mr140]

Well max you say the 70's and 80's are so weak but Foreman and Holmes both did quite well on the come back in there 40's in the best era. Sanders was not shit in the 90's got knocked the fuck out by Rahaman look what happen with him and Wald. Vitali did ok but still lost to a fucking 38 year old Lewis a fat one at that just saying this era not the worst but think to somehow it is great is total different thing. The borthers are top 20 somewhere right now Wald keeps winning maybe higher i really don't know if he will hit the top 10.