Is this the worst era in HW boxing history?

[Mr140]

So max what is that you have to say Haye so great but has no fucking wins worth a shit his best one a 46 year old Holyfeild beat. Lost to the only good fighters he was with Thompson and Wald. Sultan beat a yet again Holyfeild in he mid 40's and had a draw with Austin and lost ever round to Wald. As for Wlad he got beat bad by some of the contenders of the 90's Brewster and Sanders then early in his career lost to Journeyman. He got better but i don't even fell besides Bryde that anyone he beat was better then Sanders was really and he was just another guy back in the 90's era. Ali same height as Brewster and Purtty or what ever his name is his reach is the same as Wlad almost i think he could win it on cuts and just dart in and out he had a lot of speed on Wlad he may not win but his chances are pretty good.

[Max Power]

So max what is that you have to say Haye so great but has no fucking wins worth a shit his best one a 46 year old Holyfeild beat. Lost to the only good fighters he was with Thompson and Wald. Sultan beat a yet again Holyfeild in he mid 40's and had a draw with Austin and lost ever round to Wald. As for Wlad he got beat bad by some of the contenders of the 90's Brewster and Sanders then early in his career lost to Journeyman. He got better but i don't even fell besides Bryde that anyone he beat was better then Sanders was really and he was just another guy back in the 90's era. Ali same height as Brewster and Purtty or what ever his name is his reach is the same as Wlad almost i think he could win it on cuts and just dart in and out he had a lot of speed on Wlad he may not win but his chances are pretty good.

In a nutshell...

46 yr old Holyfield is still Holyfield, and Holyfield lost that fight. Losing 2 fights in an entire career to good opponents is a good record, the rest of Haye's opponents were also good opponents. Sultan had a very good if short career, he still BEAT Holyfield, didn't lose to Austin and did alright against Wlad, it's Wlad friggin Klitschko, he doesn't lose rounds to anyone!! Brewster loss was a sham, Wlad was sick, Judd letter is conclusive, rematch showed us the real ending. Sanders was a shock KO loss same as happened to Lewis against McCall, Sanders was aggressive, fast, long southpaw with great power, peculiar circumstances for Wlad who didn't adapt to fast enough, didn't prepare for properly and got caught earrly. Also featured a massive sandwich headbutt to strt the sequence. Sanders ducked rematch afterwards and Wlad pursured belts. Puritty similar story to Thompson vs Haye, old veteral drowned young thletic kid, survived because he had iron chin, hefty weight and experience and had power to finish against gassed out Wlad. Wlad never really ever has been outboxed entire career.

Brewster would have KO'd Ali definitely, Purritty was shit boxer, I think Ali might have UD'd him but even still, Ali never fought an oppoent as heavy+experienced+hard chinned as Ross!! Ali's effective speed (his ability to land and get out) isn't anywhere near as good as Wlad's. Wlad's massive range advantage (his heght and reach combined and long style) and own speed ensures Wlad would win out in nearly every exchange over any version of Ali. Furthermore Wlad could just walk through Ali without getting hurt from one of the most featherfisted HW's of all time KOratio 33%!

Perhaps best way to show is that Ali almost always had both a height advantage + a weight advntage over all opponents whom he beat convincngly. Against Wladimir he is the one who is outsized in both departments. I could go on!!

[palmerq]

I think the worst thing about this era is that non of the contendors ever get round to fighting each other unless it is for the mandatory shot and even then its not guarenteed that it's going to be two good guys fighting... so guys rarely build up an impressive record before they have to fight the klitschko and after they are defeated they fade away S: shame... I think there are quite a few talented guys out there just now

[Max Power]

So max what is that you have to say Haye so great but has no fucking wins worth a shit his best one a 46 year old Holyfeild beat. Lost to the only good fighters he was with Thompson and Wald. Sultan beat a yet again Holyfeild in he mid 40's and had a draw with Austin and lost ever round to Wald. As for Wlad he got beat bad by some of the contenders of the 90's Brewster and Sanders then early in his career lost to Journeyman. He got better but i don't even fell besides Bryde that anyone he beat was better then Sanders was really and he was just another guy back in the 90's era. Ali same height as Brewster and Purtty or what ever his name is his reach is the same as Wlad almost i think he could win it on cuts and just dart in and out he had a lot of speed on Wlad he may not win but his chances are pretty good.

In a nutshell...

46 yr old Holyfield is still Holyfield, and Holyfield lost that fight. Losing 2 fights in an entire career to good opponents is a good record, the rest of Haye's opponents were also good opponents. Sultan had a very good if short career, he still BEAT Holyfield, didn't lose to Austin and did alright against Wlad, it's Wlad friggin Klitschko, he doesn't lose rounds to anyone!! Brewster loss was a sham, Wlad was sick, Judd letter is conclusive, rematch showed us the real ending. Sanders was a shock KO loss same as happened to Lewis against McCall, Sanders was aggressive, fast, long southpaw with great power, peculiar circumstances for Wlad who didn't adapt to fast enough, didn't prepare for properly and got caught earrly. Also featured a massive sandwich headbutt to strt the sequence. Sanders ducked rematch afterwards and Wlad pursured belts. Puritty similar story to Thompson vs Haye, old veteral drowned young thletic kid, survived because he had iron chin, hefty weight and experience and had power to finish against gassed out Wlad. Wlad never really ever has been outboxed entire career.

Brewster would have KO'd Ali definitely, Purritty was shit boxer, I think Ali might have UD'd him but even still, Ali never fought an oppoent as heavy+experienced+hard chinned as Ross!! Ali's effective speed (his ability to land and get out) isn't anywhere near as good as Wlad's. Wlad's massive range advantage (his heght and reach combined and long style) and own speed ensures Wlad would win out in nearly every exchange over any version of Ali. Furthermore Wlad could just walk through Ali without getting hurt from one of the most featherfisted HW's of all time KOratio 33%!

Perhaps best way to show is that Ali almost always had both a height advantage + a weight advntage over all opponents whom he beat convincngly. Against Wladimir he is the one who is outsized in both departments. I could go on!!

[Max Power]

On the Ali topic still Mr140...

Take Jean Marc Mormeck as an example.

This opponent has been ridiculed by Wladimir's critics as being the worst example of trash that Wladimir has ever fought.

Yet he is a 6 time CW champion which in Ali's day translates to a 6 time HW champion!

His weight against Wladimir was among the larger opponents that Ali ever fought, heftier than Spinks, Holmes, Berbick, Norton and Frazier and Liston and only 1lb lighter than George Foreman and even solider than George since he is shorter and in more ripped condition than any of them.

His record and the quality of Mormecks opposition is so much greater than that of Ali's opponents, that should Mormeck have been an opponent of Muhammad Ali back in the 60's or 70's.. And he won, Mormeck could well have been the best opponent that Muhammad Ali ever faced! And would be used as proof of the superiority of the golden era and how good Ali was to have bested such an opponent.

Yet to Wladimir Klitschko this was a complete joke and a mismatch. I hope you understand what I am getting at here!!

Yesterdays heroes... Are todays tomato cans!!

[FinitoElDinamita]

Not only are we living in the worst HW era but we are living in the shittiest boxing era in general..

There may be some deep divisions like 147 but what's the point when guys arent mixing it up..

And look at all the matchups that are being blocked due to politics.. its fuckjn bullshit.

Only throwback division at the miment is 112... flyweight division!

[mrbig1]

Not only are we living in the worst HW era but we are living in the shittiest boxing era in general..

There may be some deep divisions like 147 but what's the point when guys arent mixing it up..

And look at all the matchups that are being blocked due to politics.. its fuckjn bullshit.

Only throwback division at the miment is 112... flyweight division!

Here is another reason why young people are staying away from boxing. How many fighters make any real money? 4 maybe 5 tops. In MLB the lowest you can make is 450,000 dollars per year. That's what they pay rookies. So why would you go into boxing. How many stories are there about a guy who has been champ for years only to retire with nothing. There is nothing to stop a promoter or manage from stealing as much as they want. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jorden, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron still have money. It's very hard to find one fighter who still has money. So If I was a young man I would say fuck boxing. This is why this era is very weak. The world needs a boxing union like all other sports around the world.

[Max Power]

Not only are we living in the worst HW era but we are living in the shittiest boxing era in general..

There may be some deep divisions like 147 but what's the point when guys arent mixing it up..

And look at all the matchups that are being blocked due to politics.. its fuckjn bullshit.

Only throwback division at the miment is 112... flyweight division!

Here is another reason why young people are staying away from boxing. How many fighters make any real money? 4 maybe 5 tops. In MLB the lowest you can make is 450,000 dollars per year. That's what they pay rookies. So why would you go into boxing. How many stories are there about a guy who has been champ for years only to retire with nothing. There is nothing to stop a promoter or manage from stealing as much as they want. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jorden, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron still have money. It's very hard to find one fighter who still has money. So If I was a young man I would say fuck boxing. This is why this era is very weak. The world needs a boxing union like all other sports around the world.

There is more money in boxing than ever before you bloody idiot LOL!

That's why guys like you try to criticize their fight rate by saying they are too wealthy now to have to compete all the time..

Which is it? You can't have it both ways

Your failing mate! Your Golden Era.. Is now just the "Olden Era" hahaha =P

[powerpuncher]

So max what is that you have to say Haye so great but has no fucking wins worth a shit his best one a 46 year old Holyfeild beat. Lost to the only good fighters he was with Thompson and Wald. Sultan beat a yet again Holyfeild in he mid 40's and had a draw with Austin and lost ever round to Wald. As for Wlad he got beat bad by some of the contenders of the 90's Brewster and Sanders then early in his career lost to Journeyman. He got better but i don't even fell besides Bryde that anyone he beat was better then Sanders was really and he was just another guy back in the 90's era. Ali same height as Brewster and Purtty or what ever his name is his reach is the same as Wlad almost i think he could win it on cuts and just dart in and out he had a lot of speed on Wlad he may not win but his chances are pretty good.

In a nutshell...

46 yr old Holyfield is still Holyfield, and Holyfield lost that fight. Losing 2 fights in an entire career to good opponents is a good record, the rest of Haye's opponents were also good opponents. Sultan had a very good if short career, he still BEAT Holyfield, didn't lose to Austin and did alright against Wlad, it's Wlad friggin Klitschko, he doesn't lose rounds to anyone!! Brewster loss was a sham, Wlad was sick, Judd letter is conclusive, rematch showed us the real ending. Sanders was a shock KO loss same as happened to Lewis against McCall, Sanders was aggressive, fast, long southpaw with great power, peculiar circumstances for Wlad who didn't adapt to fast enough, didn't prepare for properly and got caught earrly. Also featured a massive sandwich headbutt to strt the sequence. Sanders ducked rematch afterwards and Wlad pursured belts. Puritty similar story to Thompson vs Haye, old veteral drowned young thletic kid, survived because he had iron chin, hefty weight and experience and had power to finish against gassed out Wlad. Wlad never really ever has been outboxed entire career.

Brewster would have KO'd Ali definitely, Purritty was shit boxer, I think Ali might have UD'd him but even still, Ali never fought an oppoent as heavy+experienced+hard chinned as Ross!! Ali's effective speed (his ability to land and get out) isn't anywhere near as good as Wlad's. Wlad's massive range advantage (his heght and reach combined and long style) and own speed ensures Wlad would win out in nearly every exchange over any version of Ali. Furthermore Wlad could just walk through Ali without getting hurt from one of the most featherfisted HW's of all time KOratio 33%!

Perhaps best way to show is that Ali almost always had both a height advantage + a weight advntage over all opponents whom he beat convincngly. Against Wladimir he is the one who is outsized in both departments. I could go on!!

classic maxpower logic

and if you say that ali was feather fisted then you have obviously never watched him fight.

[Max Power]

So max what is that you have to say Haye so great but has no fucking wins worth a shit his best one a 46 year old Holyfeild beat. Lost to the only good fighters he was with Thompson and Wald. Sultan beat a yet again Holyfeild in he mid 40's and had a draw with Austin and lost ever round to Wald. As for Wlad he got beat bad by some of the contenders of the 90's Brewster and Sanders then early in his career lost to Journeyman. He got better but i don't even fell besides Bryde that anyone he beat was better then Sanders was really and he was just another guy back in the 90's era. Ali same height as Brewster and Purtty or what ever his name is his reach is the same as Wlad almost i think he could win it on cuts and just dart in and out he had a lot of speed on Wlad he may not win but his chances are pretty good.

In a nutshell...

46 yr old Holyfield is still Holyfield, and Holyfield lost that fight. Losing 2 fights in an entire career to good opponents is a good record, the rest of Haye's opponents were also good opponents. Sultan had a very good if short career, he still BEAT Holyfield, didn't lose to Austin and did alright against Wlad, it's Wlad friggin Klitschko, he doesn't lose rounds to anyone!! Brewster loss was a sham, Wlad was sick, Judd letter is conclusive, rematch showed us the real ending. Sanders was a shock KO loss same as happened to Lewis against McCall, Sanders was aggressive, fast, long southpaw with great power, peculiar circumstances for Wlad who didn't adapt to fast enough, didn't prepare for properly and got caught earrly. Also featured a massive sandwich headbutt to strt the sequence. Sanders ducked rematch afterwards and Wlad pursured belts. Puritty similar story to Thompson vs Haye, old veteral drowned young thletic kid, survived because he had iron chin, hefty weight and experience and had power to finish against gassed out Wlad. Wlad never really ever has been outboxed entire career.

Brewster would have KO'd Ali definitely, Purritty was shit boxer, I think Ali might have UD'd him but even still, Ali never fought an oppoent as heavy+experienced+hard chinned as Ross!! Ali's effective speed (his ability to land and get out) isn't anywhere near as good as Wlad's. Wlad's massive range advantage (his heght and reach combined and long style) and own speed ensures Wlad would win out in nearly every exchange over any version of Ali. Furthermore Wlad could just walk through Ali without getting hurt from one of the most featherfisted HW's of all time KOratio 33%!

Perhaps best way to show is that Ali almost always had both a height advantage + a weight advntage over all opponents whom he beat convincngly. Against Wladimir he is the one who is outsized in both departments. I could go on!!

classic maxpower logic

and if you say that ali was feather fisted then you have obviously never watched him fight.

Yeah you know what I meant fool.

And I have seen nearly every one of Ali's fights and that's why I am qualified to say with confidence that he is the most overratd fighter of all time and an extreme featherfist.

Ali never ONCE scored what could be described as a proper canvas KO that was not surrounded by some issue like a gas tank related issue or something like a suspect dive.

The opponents that he opened up, forcing stoppage were all SMALLER than him, little Ali!!

Most of his fights were absolute stinkers. Just like Waldomir has produced for us lately.

If you want to compare similarities between past and present fighters, compare them 2.

Both Ali and Wlad were prolific out-tallers and both relied on their height and range as a big part of their style!! And both resorted to wrestling tactics to overcome dangerous circumstances.

The major differences were that Muhammad outweighed most of his opponents whereas Wladimir does not, and Wladimir learned how to keep dangerous opponents at bay where as Muhammad never did and subsequently got hammered.

[Mr140]

Ok so you don't excuse a lose on Holyfeild when he is 46 years old but make all excuse for Wlad for his loses. Ali i doubt would be gassed and caught like Wald was he would ud the Journeyman and for Sanders what big win does he really have besides Wald. Ali could beat Wald on cuts his reach is close to Walds if you ever look it up. I am not saying for sure he wins but man you overrate this time worse then any Historian rates the older generations i mean always good now but bad if the other eras do it. You say people overrate the past and while you do the same fucking thing its very hypocritical.

[powerpuncher]

So max what is that you have to say Haye so great but has no fucking wins worth a shit his best one a 46 year old Holyfeild beat. Lost to the only good fighters he was with Thompson and Wald. Sultan beat a yet again Holyfeild in he mid 40's and had a draw with Austin and lost ever round to Wald. As for Wlad he got beat bad by some of the contenders of the 90's Brewster and Sanders then early in his career lost to Journeyman. He got better but i don't even fell besides Bryde that anyone he beat was better then Sanders was really and he was just another guy back in the 90's era. Ali same height as Brewster and Purtty or what ever his name is his reach is the same as Wlad almost i think he could win it on cuts and just dart in and out he had a lot of speed on Wlad he may not win but his chances are pretty good.

In a nutshell...

46 yr old Holyfield is still Holyfield, and Holyfield lost that fight. Losing 2 fights in an entire career to good opponents is a good record, the rest of Haye's opponents were also good opponents. Sultan had a very good if short career, he still BEAT Holyfield, didn't lose to Austin and did alright against Wlad, it's Wlad friggin Klitschko, he doesn't lose rounds to anyone!! Brewster loss was a sham, Wlad was sick, Judd letter is conclusive, rematch showed us the real ending. Sanders was a shock KO loss same as happened to Lewis against McCall, Sanders was aggressive, fast, long southpaw with great power, peculiar circumstances for Wlad who didn't adapt to fast enough, didn't prepare for properly and got caught earrly. Also featured a massive sandwich headbutt to strt the sequence. Sanders ducked rematch afterwards and Wlad pursured belts. Puritty similar story to Thompson vs Haye, old veteral drowned young thletic kid, survived because he had iron chin, hefty weight and experience and had power to finish against gassed out Wlad. Wlad never really ever has been outboxed entire career.

Brewster would have KO'd Ali definitely, Purritty was shit boxer, I think Ali might have UD'd him but even still, Ali never fought an oppoent as heavy+experienced+hard chinned as Ross!! Ali's effective speed (his ability to land and get out) isn't anywhere near as good as Wlad's. Wlad's massive range advantage (his heght and reach combined and long style) and own speed ensures Wlad would win out in nearly every exchange over any version of Ali. Furthermore Wlad could just walk through Ali without getting hurt from one of the most featherfisted HW's of all time KOratio 33%!

Perhaps best way to show is that Ali almost always had both a height advantage + a weight advntage over all opponents whom he beat convincngly. Against Wladimir he is the one who is outsized in both departments. I could go on!!

classic maxpower logic

and if you say that ali was feather fisted then you have obviously never watched him fight.

Yeah you know what I meant fool.

And I have seen nearly every one of Ali's fights and that's why I am qualified to say with confidence that he is the most overratd fighter of all time and an extreme featherfist.

Ali never ONCE scored what could be described as a proper canvas KO that was not surrounded by some issue like a gas tank related issue or something like a suspect dive.

The opponents that he opened up, forcing stoppage were all SMALLER than him, little Ali!!

Most of his fights were absolute stinkers. Just like Waldomir has produced for us lately.

If you want to compare similarities between past and present fighters, compare them 2.

Both Ali and Wlad were prolific out-tallers and both relied on their height and range as a big part of their style!! And both resorted to wrestling tactics to overcome dangerous circumstances.

The major differences were that Muhammad outweighed most of his opponents whereas Wladimir does not, and Wladimir learned how to keep dangerous opponents at bay where as Muhammad never did and subsequently got hammered.

what do you mean i know what you meant? maybe i didnt get what you meant. you said that a 46 year old holyfield is still holyfield which isnt at all true.

ali had multiple legit knockdowns against cleveland williams who was 6'3 with a 80' reach (one inch less than wlad) and destroyed him. or the zora folley knockout? have you seen it? he was 6'1. folley couldnt get up. im not saying that ali was a huge knockout puncher and i understand that most of his knockouts came from an accumulation of punches but that still shows that he has power. he knocked out legit competition. feather fisted fighters dont knockout high caliber opponents like ali did.

[zhubin]

So max what is that you have to say Haye so great but has no fucking wins worth a shit his best one a 46 year old Holyfeild beat. Lost to the only good fighters he was with Thompson and Wald. Sultan beat a yet again Holyfeild in he mid 40's and had a draw with Austin and lost ever round to Wald. As for Wlad he got beat bad by some of the contenders of the 90's Brewster and Sanders then early in his career lost to Journeyman. He got better but i don't even fell besides Bryde that anyone he beat was better then Sanders was really and he was just another guy back in the 90's era. Ali same height as Brewster and Purtty or what ever his name is his reach is the same as Wlad almost i think he could win it on cuts and just dart in and out he had a lot of speed on Wlad he may not win but his chances are pretty good.

In a nutshell...

46 yr old Holyfield is still Holyfield, and Holyfield lost that fight. Losing 2 fights in an entire career to good opponents is a good record, the rest of Haye's opponents were also good opponents. Sultan had a very good if short career, he still BEAT Holyfield, didn't lose to Austin and did alright against Wlad, it's Wlad friggin Klitschko, he doesn't lose rounds to anyone!! Brewster loss was a sham, Wlad was sick, Judd letter is conclusive, rematch showed us the real ending. Sanders was a shock KO loss same as happened to Lewis against McCall, Sanders was aggressive, fast, long southpaw with great power, peculiar circumstances for Wlad who didn't adapt to fast enough, didn't prepare for properly and got caught earrly. Also featured a massive sandwich headbutt to strt the sequence. Sanders ducked rematch afterwards and Wlad pursured belts. Puritty similar story to Thompson vs Haye, old veteral drowned young thletic kid, survived because he had iron chin, hefty weight and experience and had power to finish against gassed out Wlad. Wlad never really ever has been outboxed entire career.

Brewster would have KO'd Ali definitely, Purritty was shit boxer, I think Ali might have UD'd him but even still, Ali never fought an oppoent as heavy+experienced+hard chinned as Ross!! Ali's effective speed (his ability to land and get out) isn't anywhere near as good as Wlad's. Wlad's massive range advantage (his heght and reach combined and long style) and own speed ensures Wlad would win out in nearly every exchange over any version of Ali. Furthermore Wlad could just walk through Ali without getting hurt from one of the most featherfisted HW's of all time KOratio 33%!

Perhaps best way to show is that Ali almost always had both a height advantage + a weight advntage over all opponents whom he beat convincngly. Against Wladimir he is the one who is outsized in both departments. I could go on!!

Morons like you are what ruin forums like this. You need attention you big moronic baby? Cause you don't know shit about boxing. Get out of your mom's basement you troll.

[Mr140]

If Shufford and Etienne can out box Brewster and are the same size as Ali who was a better boxer i think Ali can beat Brewster. Ali would not go out and gas get Koed he was smarter then that. As for Sander he was lost to Tubbs and Rahnman so i give Ali a good shot at him he would not be blown out of the water like Wald was in few rounds. I mean come on you really think Wald so unstoppable that these guys that beat him are that great come on now who has fought better then them the answer is no one really.

[Mr140]

So max explain to me how those guys would just beat one of the greatest i mean ali was pretty tall and was 215 to 220 in great shape. The guys above lost to guys of similar size in Brewster on a few fights before he wasted Wald and Sanders to tubbs i while give you Rahman was a big hitter thats about it.