Is this the worst era in HW boxing history?

[Max Power]

So max what is that you have to say Haye so great but has no fucking wins worth a shit his best one a 46 year old Holyfeild beat. Lost to the only good fighters he was with Thompson and Wald. Sultan beat a yet again Holyfeild in he mid 40's and had a draw with Austin and lost ever round to Wald. As for Wlad he got beat bad by some of the contenders of the 90's Brewster and Sanders then early in his career lost to Journeyman. He got better but i don't even fell besides Bryde that anyone he beat was better then Sanders was really and he was just another guy back in the 90's era. Ali same height as Brewster and Purtty or what ever his name is his reach is the same as Wlad almost i think he could win it on cuts and just dart in and out he had a lot of speed on Wlad he may not win but his chances are pretty good.

In a nutshell...

46 yr old Holyfield is still Holyfield, and Holyfield lost that fight. Losing 2 fights in an entire career to good opponents is a good record, the rest of Haye's opponents were also good opponents. Sultan had a very good if short career, he still BEAT Holyfield, didn't lose to Austin and did alright against Wlad, it's Wlad friggin Klitschko, he doesn't lose rounds to anyone!! Brewster loss was a sham, Wlad was sick, Judd letter is conclusive, rematch showed us the real ending. Sanders was a shock KO loss same as happened to Lewis against McCall, Sanders was aggressive, fast, long southpaw with great power, peculiar circumstances for Wlad who didn't adapt to fast enough, didn't prepare for properly and got caught earrly. Also featured a massive sandwich headbutt to strt the sequence. Sanders ducked rematch afterwards and Wlad pursured belts. Puritty similar story to Thompson vs Haye, old veteral drowned young thletic kid, survived because he had iron chin, hefty weight and experience and had power to finish against gassed out Wlad. Wlad never really ever has been outboxed entire career.

Brewster would have KO'd Ali definitely, Purritty was shit boxer, I think Ali might have UD'd him but even still, Ali never fought an oppoent as heavy+experienced+hard chinned as Ross!! Ali's effective speed (his ability to land and get out) isn't anywhere near as good as Wlad's. Wlad's massive range advantage (his heght and reach combined and long style) and own speed ensures Wlad would win out in nearly every exchange over any version of Ali. Furthermore Wlad could just walk through Ali without getting hurt from one of the most featherfisted HW's of all time KOratio 33%!

Perhaps best way to show is that Ali almost always had both a height advantage + a weight advntage over all opponents whom he beat convincngly. Against Wladimir he is the one who is outsized in both departments. I could go on!!

classic maxpower logic

and if you say that ali was feather fisted then you have obviously never watched him fight.

Yeah you know what I meant fool.

And I have seen nearly every one of Ali's fights and that's why I am qualified to say with confidence that he is the most overratd fighter of all time and an extreme featherfist.

Ali never ONCE scored what could be described as a proper canvas KO that was not surrounded by some issue like a gas tank related issue or something like a suspect dive.

The opponents that he opened up, forcing stoppage were all SMALLER than him, little Ali!!

Most of his fights were absolute stinkers. Just like Waldomir has produced for us lately.

If you want to compare similarities between past and present fighters, compare them 2.

Both Ali and Wlad were prolific out-tallers and both relied on their height and range as a big part of their style!! And both resorted to wrestling tactics to overcome dangerous circumstances.

The major differences were that Muhammad outweighed most of his opponents whereas Wladimir does not, and Wladimir learned how to keep dangerous opponents at bay where as Muhammad never did and subsequently got hammered.

[Mr140]

Ok so you don't excuse a lose on Holyfeild when he is 46 years old but make all excuse for Wlad for his loses. Ali i doubt would be gassed and caught like Wald was he would ud the Journeyman and for Sanders what big win does he really have besides Wald. Ali could beat Wald on cuts his reach is close to Walds if you ever look it up. I am not saying for sure he wins but man you overrate this time worse then any Historian rates the older generations i mean always good now but bad if the other eras do it. You say people overrate the past and while you do the same fucking thing its very hypocritical.

[Max Power]

All of your points have been address so may times except your fresh view here..

"Ali could beat Wladimir on cuts"

Ha. For a start, Ali's calculated reach might be an inch shorter than Wlad's but Wlad's stance, style and height all play factors too in range. Wladimir out- ranges Ali by a great deal. And Wladimir is very fast, probably about as fast as any boxer has been or could get for a man his size. I can't see Ali winning many exchanges mate.

And when Wlad hits Ali's brains will be scrambled. Never in his entire caeer was he ever hit with so much concussive force.

Further, Wladimir has among the best reflexes at HW. Muhammad was a notorious punch bag who could not evade a punch if it sent him a postcard.

ExAMPLES... Joe Frazier was target practice, he walked into punches. Muhammad could not hurt him. Frazier was about as 1 dimensional as you can get. Walk forward left hook and slow and short. Yet landed on Ali continuously. Imagine what Wlad would do?

It's interesting you bring up Corrie Sanders because at 6'4", lightening fast (faster than Ali), cracker power, highly aggressive style (like Foreman), 225lbs (heavier than the heaviest non-bummy opponent Ali ever fought (who was Alvin, a nobody anyway) and awkward southpaw style who are harder to fight, there isn't anybody similar to Corrie's qualities in ANY era!! And certainly Ali never faced a southpaw with as high a KO ratio as Corrie Sanders.

Look how Ali sgruggled with Frazier, imagine how he'd go against Brewster, a 20lbs heavier, few inches taller, supercharged power punching version with an iron chin?

Forget Wladimir man, Ali would be knocked out easily by either Brewster or Sanders! No doubt!

I think that if there's a fight Muhammad would win it would be against Puritty but by UD, not on cuts or any form of TKO.

Puritty is a shit boxer and no I doubt Ali would gas like Wlad because one of the drawbacks of being taller and HAVING BIG MUSCLES Like wlad is that if you don't pace, you will gas easier than a pissy weakling like Ali because they burn their fuel at a much higher rate. Young Wlad must wear that one I agree!!

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

To be fair, Correy was fast - one punch at a time (as well as being pretty stationary on his feet) and was in moderate condition as a fighter.

I'd have him reasonably evenly matched with Chris Byrd. Maybe Chris sneaking a win more times than not.

[mrbig1]

Just know this. With todays diet and training Ali would be 240+ pounds. He would pack a much harder punch. He had the skill to handle anything Wlad could throw at him. Also Ali prime years were 1964-1967.

[powerpuncher]

Just know this. With todays diet and training Ali would be 240+ pounds. He would pack a much harder punch. He had the skill to handle anything Wlad could throw at him. Also Ali prime years were 1964-1967.

i hate when people say this because it just proves his point right. ali would beat the HWs now even with his same weight and training that he had in the 60's and 70's. he was just better by a huge margin.

[#1FightFan]

yes it is the worst. the champ wlad klit is a big ole pussy who fights like he is scared to let loose big punches, and is content to plod around throwing jabs for the full fight, carrying bum after bum. and its the worst because a glorified journeyman like arreola gets big fights and attention. TERRIBLE!!!

[mrbig1]

Power puncher and 1# fight fan are 100% right. I agree with both post. In Wlad last fight I didn't hold that much on my wedding night. It was hard to watch.

[powerpuncher]

All of your points have been address so may times except your fresh view here..

"Ali could beat Wladimir on cuts"

Ha. For a start, Ali's calculated reach might be an inch shorter than Wlad's but Wlad's stance, style and height all play factors too in range. Wladimir out- ranges Ali by a great deal. And Wladimir is very fast, probably about as fast as any boxer has been or could get for a man his size. I can't see Ali winning many exchanges mate.

And when Wlad hits Ali's brains will be scrambled. Never in his entire caeer was he ever hit with so much concussive force.

Further, Wladimir has among the best reflexes at HW. Muhammad was a notorious punch bag who could not evade a punch if it sent him a postcard.

ExAMPLES... Joe Frazier was target practice, he walked into punches. Muhammad could not hurt him. Frazier was about as 1 dimensional as you can get. Walk forward left hook and slow and short. Yet landed on Ali continuously. Imagine what Wlad would do?

It's interesting you bring up Corrie Sanders because at 6'4", lightening fast (faster than Ali), cracker power, highly aggressive style (like Foreman), 225lbs (heavier than the heaviest non-bummy opponent Ali ever fought (who was Alvin, a nobody anyway) and awkward southpaw style who are harder to fight, there isn't anybody similar to Corrie's qualities in ANY era!! And certainly Ali never faced a southpaw with as high a KO ratio as Corrie Sanders.

Look how Ali sgruggled with Frazier, imagine how he'd go against Brewster, a 20lbs heavier, few inches taller, supercharged power punching version with an iron chin?

Forget Wladimir man, Ali would be knocked out easily by either Brewster or Sanders! No doubt!

I think that if there's a fight Muhammad would win it would be against Puritty but by UD, not on cuts or any form of TKO.

Puritty is a shit boxer and no I doubt Ali would gas like Wlad because one of the drawbacks of being taller and HAVING BIG MUSCLES Like wlad is that if you don't pace, you will gas easier than a pissy weakling like Ali because they burn their fuel at a much higher rate. Young Wlad must wear that one I agree!!

now corrie sanders is faster than ali. nice. who knew? i guess his nickname should have been corrie "lightning fast" sanders because everybody knew that he was such a speedster. and who knew that wlad had better reflexes than ali? this is all news to me. and i guess that brewster is better than frazier too even though brewster can hardly throw a punch before he tires out and almost allowed meehan to hold a title if it werent for a gift decision.

[powerpuncher]

So max what is that you have to say Haye so great but has no fucking wins worth a shit his best one a 46 year old Holyfeild beat. Lost to the only good fighters he was with Thompson and Wald. Sultan beat a yet again Holyfeild in he mid 40's and had a draw with Austin and lost ever round to Wald. As for Wlad he got beat bad by some of the contenders of the 90's Brewster and Sanders then early in his career lost to Journeyman. He got better but i don't even fell besides Bryde that anyone he beat was better then Sanders was really and he was just another guy back in the 90's era. Ali same height as Brewster and Purtty or what ever his name is his reach is the same as Wlad almost i think he could win it on cuts and just dart in and out he had a lot of speed on Wlad he may not win but his chances are pretty good.

In a nutshell...

46 yr old Holyfield is still Holyfield, and Holyfield lost that fight. Losing 2 fights in an entire career to good opponents is a good record, the rest of Haye's opponents were also good opponents. Sultan had a very good if short career, he still BEAT Holyfield, didn't lose to Austin and did alright against Wlad, it's Wlad friggin Klitschko, he doesn't lose rounds to anyone!! Brewster loss was a sham, Wlad was sick, Judd letter is conclusive, rematch showed us the real ending. Sanders was a shock KO loss same as happened to Lewis against McCall, Sanders was aggressive, fast, long southpaw with great power, peculiar circumstances for Wlad who didn't adapt to fast enough, didn't prepare for properly and got caught earrly. Also featured a massive sandwich headbutt to strt the sequence. Sanders ducked rematch afterwards and Wlad pursured belts. Puritty similar story to Thompson vs Haye, old veteral drowned young thletic kid, survived because he had iron chin, hefty weight and experience and had power to finish against gassed out Wlad. Wlad never really ever has been outboxed entire career.

Brewster would have KO'd Ali definitely, Purritty was shit boxer, I think Ali might have UD'd him but even still, Ali never fought an oppoent as heavy+experienced+hard chinned as Ross!! Ali's effective speed (his ability to land and get out) isn't anywhere near as good as Wlad's. Wlad's massive range advantage (his heght and reach combined and long style) and own speed ensures Wlad would win out in nearly every exchange over any version of Ali. Furthermore Wlad could just walk through Ali without getting hurt from one of the most featherfisted HW's of all time KOratio 33%!

Perhaps best way to show is that Ali almost always had both a height advantage + a weight advntage over all opponents whom he beat convincngly. Against Wladimir he is the one who is outsized in both departments. I could go on!!

classic maxpower logic

and if you say that ali was feather fisted then you have obviously never watched him fight.

Yeah you know what I meant fool.

And I have seen nearly every one of Ali's fights and that's why I am qualified to say with confidence that he is the most overratd fighter of all time and an extreme featherfist.

Ali never ONCE scored what could be described as a proper canvas KO that was not surrounded by some issue like a gas tank related issue or something like a suspect dive.

The opponents that he opened up, forcing stoppage were all SMALLER than him, little Ali!!

Most of his fights were absolute stinkers. Just like Waldomir has produced for us lately.

If you want to compare similarities between past and present fighters, compare them 2.

Both Ali and Wlad were prolific out-tallers and both relied on their height and range as a big part of their style!! And both resorted to wrestling tactics to overcome dangerous circumstances.

The major differences were that Muhammad outweighed most of his opponents whereas Wladimir does not, and Wladimir learned how to keep dangerous opponents at bay where as Muhammad never did and subsequently got hammered.

what do you mean i know what you meant? maybe i didnt get what you meant. you said that a 46 year old holyfield is still holyfield which isnt at all true.

ali had multiple legit knockdowns against cleveland williams who was 6'3 with a 80' reach (one inch less than wlad) and destroyed him. or the zora folley knockout? have you seen it? he was 6'1. folley couldnt get up. im not saying that ali was a huge knockout puncher and i understand that most of his knockouts came from an accumulation of punches but that still shows that he has power. he knocked out legit competition. feather fisted fighters dont knockout high caliber opponents like ali did.