Is this the worst era in HW boxing history?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

To be fair, Correy was fast - one punch at a time (as well as being pretty stationary on his feet) and was in moderate condition as a fighter.

I'd have him reasonably evenly matched with Chris Byrd. Maybe Chris sneaking a win more times than not.

[mrbig1]

Just know this. With todays diet and training Ali would be 240+ pounds. He would pack a much harder punch. He had the skill to handle anything Wlad could throw at him. Also Ali prime years were 1964-1967.

[powerpuncher]

All of your points have been address so may times except your fresh view here..

"Ali could beat Wladimir on cuts"

Ha. For a start, Ali's calculated reach might be an inch shorter than Wlad's but Wlad's stance, style and height all play factors too in range. Wladimir out- ranges Ali by a great deal. And Wladimir is very fast, probably about as fast as any boxer has been or could get for a man his size. I can't see Ali winning many exchanges mate.

And when Wlad hits Ali's brains will be scrambled. Never in his entire caeer was he ever hit with so much concussive force.

Further, Wladimir has among the best reflexes at HW. Muhammad was a notorious punch bag who could not evade a punch if it sent him a postcard.

ExAMPLES... Joe Frazier was target practice, he walked into punches. Muhammad could not hurt him. Frazier was about as 1 dimensional as you can get. Walk forward left hook and slow and short. Yet landed on Ali continuously. Imagine what Wlad would do?

It's interesting you bring up Corrie Sanders because at 6'4", lightening fast (faster than Ali), cracker power, highly aggressive style (like Foreman), 225lbs (heavier than the heaviest non-bummy opponent Ali ever fought (who was Alvin, a nobody anyway) and awkward southpaw style who are harder to fight, there isn't anybody similar to Corrie's qualities in ANY era!! And certainly Ali never faced a southpaw with as high a KO ratio as Corrie Sanders.

Look how Ali sgruggled with Frazier, imagine how he'd go against Brewster, a 20lbs heavier, few inches taller, supercharged power punching version with an iron chin?

Forget Wladimir man, Ali would be knocked out easily by either Brewster or Sanders! No doubt!

I think that if there's a fight Muhammad would win it would be against Puritty but by UD, not on cuts or any form of TKO.

Puritty is a shit boxer and no I doubt Ali would gas like Wlad because one of the drawbacks of being taller and HAVING BIG MUSCLES Like wlad is that if you don't pace, you will gas easier than a pissy weakling like Ali because they burn their fuel at a much higher rate. Young Wlad must wear that one I agree!!

now corrie sanders is faster than ali. nice. who knew? i guess his nickname should have been corrie "lightning fast" sanders because everybody knew that he was such a speedster. and who knew that wlad had better reflexes than ali? this is all news to me. and i guess that brewster is better than frazier too even though brewster can hardly throw a punch before he tires out and almost allowed meehan to hold a title if it werent for a gift decision.

[powerpuncher]

Just know this. With todays diet and training Ali would be 240+ pounds. He would pack a much harder punch. He had the skill to handle anything Wlad could throw at him. Also Ali prime years were 1964-1967.

i hate when people say this because it just proves his point right. ali would beat the HWs now even with his same weight and training that he had in the 60's and 70's. he was just better by a huge margin.

[#1FightFan]

yes it is the worst. the champ wlad klit is a big ole pussy who fights like he is scared to let loose big punches, and is content to plod around throwing jabs for the full fight, carrying bum after bum. and its the worst because a glorified journeyman like arreola gets big fights and attention. TERRIBLE!!!

[mrbig1]

Power puncher and 1# fight fan are 100% right. I agree with both post. In Wlad last fight I didn't hold that much on my wedding night. It was hard to watch.

[zhubin]

So max what is that you have to say Haye so great but has no fucking wins worth a shit his best one a 46 year old Holyfeild beat. Lost to the only good fighters he was with Thompson and Wald. Sultan beat a yet again Holyfeild in he mid 40's and had a draw with Austin and lost ever round to Wald. As for Wlad he got beat bad by some of the contenders of the 90's Brewster and Sanders then early in his career lost to Journeyman. He got better but i don't even fell besides Bryde that anyone he beat was better then Sanders was really and he was just another guy back in the 90's era. Ali same height as Brewster and Purtty or what ever his name is his reach is the same as Wlad almost i think he could win it on cuts and just dart in and out he had a lot of speed on Wlad he may not win but his chances are pretty good.

In a nutshell...

46 yr old Holyfield is still Holyfield, and Holyfield lost that fight. Losing 2 fights in an entire career to good opponents is a good record, the rest of Haye's opponents were also good opponents. Sultan had a very good if short career, he still BEAT Holyfield, didn't lose to Austin and did alright against Wlad, it's Wlad friggin Klitschko, he doesn't lose rounds to anyone!! Brewster loss was a sham, Wlad was sick, Judd letter is conclusive, rematch showed us the real ending. Sanders was a shock KO loss same as happened to Lewis against McCall, Sanders was aggressive, fast, long southpaw with great power, peculiar circumstances for Wlad who didn't adapt to fast enough, didn't prepare for properly and got caught earrly. Also featured a massive sandwich headbutt to strt the sequence. Sanders ducked rematch afterwards and Wlad pursured belts. Puritty similar story to Thompson vs Haye, old veteral drowned young thletic kid, survived because he had iron chin, hefty weight and experience and had power to finish against gassed out Wlad. Wlad never really ever has been outboxed entire career.

Brewster would have KO'd Ali definitely, Purritty was shit boxer, I think Ali might have UD'd him but even still, Ali never fought an oppoent as heavy+experienced+hard chinned as Ross!! Ali's effective speed (his ability to land and get out) isn't anywhere near as good as Wlad's. Wlad's massive range advantage (his heght and reach combined and long style) and own speed ensures Wlad would win out in nearly every exchange over any version of Ali. Furthermore Wlad could just walk through Ali without getting hurt from one of the most featherfisted HW's of all time KOratio 33%!

Perhaps best way to show is that Ali almost always had both a height advantage + a weight advntage over all opponents whom he beat convincngly. Against Wladimir he is the one who is outsized in both departments. I could go on!!

Morons like you are what ruin forums like this. You need attention you big moronic baby? Cause you don't know shit about boxing. Get out of your mom's basement you troll.

[Mr140]

If Shufford and Etienne can out box Brewster and are the same size as Ali who was a better boxer i think Ali can beat Brewster. Ali would not go out and gas get Koed he was smarter then that. As for Sander he was lost to Tubbs and Rahnman so i give Ali a good shot at him he would not be blown out of the water like Wald was in few rounds. I mean come on you really think Wald so unstoppable that these guys that beat him are that great come on now who has fought better then them the answer is no one really.

[Mr140]

So max explain to me how those guys would just beat one of the greatest i mean ali was pretty tall and was 215 to 220 in great shape. The guys above lost to guys of similar size in Brewster on a few fights before he wasted Wald and Sanders to tubbs i while give you Rahman was a big hitter thats about it.

[Mr140]

Then there Sam peters who was bashing Wlad around who pretty much lost to fucking whale Tony first time around i am pretty sure Ali would dance circles around that guy and maybe be knocked down once. I mean he fucking so slow never really koed anyone with a good chin. Hell Adamek a guy who could not cut it a Lhw and is smaller then Ali and not even close to the boxer is top top 10 right now this era is not the worst but it is weak and the way you talk about Ali is a joke dude it really is. You must like have a anti american thing going or something because really can't see how you rate Ali like you do.

[powerpuncher]

If Shufford and Etienne can out box Brewster and are the same size as Ali who was a better boxer i think Ali can beat Brewster. Ali would not go out and gas get Koed he was smarter then that. As for Sander he was lost to Tubbs and Rahnman so i give Ali a good shot at him he would not be blown out of the water like Wald was in few rounds. I mean come on you really think Wald so unstoppable that these guys that beat him are that great come on now who has fought better then them the answer is no one really.

because with modern technology etienne and shufford were obviously just better than ali and would have KO'd that feather fisted cruiserweight!
-maxpower

[Max Power]

All I'm seeing here is the occasional example here where a modern boxer has had an occasional loss or struggle with another boxer, all of which are modern HW's who faced all modern REAL HW opponents with far better records than Ali's opponents, the opponents in question themselves having better REAL records than Muhammad Ali!

Sam Peter for example and Brewster.. You've tried to give examples how they are crap boxers. Yet both could be considered "Super Fraziers". Frazier is an opponent who would not even be able to compete in modern hw boxing today. Yet Ali had severe difficulties with him. But the OTNB like to tuck that one under the rug!

Let's look at the actual opponents 1 by 1 Ali actually faced during his so-called "magic years" of 64-67 as you've said- I think Ali's real prime was 74 imo. That's when he faced and beat his best opponent and was strong and durable enough to compete with a modern boxer... Next post...

[Mr140]

Yet again those 2 boxers i mention clearly out boxed Brewster and one of them was even smaller then Ali and both had shit records. Yet Brewster going to knock Ali out a guy who was in with the most heavy hitter of all time didn't get knocked out. I just think your full of shit really and have something against Ali. Sanders lost to fucking Tubbs come on now and Rahamn one i let go then ices Wald like he should not of been there at all. Say what you want about Ali but he fought the best at least Wlad has not fought the best fighter of his generation so pretty hard to say how good he really is with bad loses to.

[Max Power]

1964-02-25
·Sonny Liston

218 lbs

World Heavyweight title
And why is Sonny Liston, cruiser/bum/loser beater, the world champ? By beating a 194 lbs guy (Patterson), who started to box at 160+ lbs? And why did Liston quit on his stool before any action started?

"During the first Liston-Ali fight at the Convention Hall in Miami Beach on February 25, 1964, Sonny had a bad left shoulder. He had gone to see Joe Louis' doctor who treated him for bursitis, but there wasn't enough time for the treatment to work. Sonny was around 45 years old at the time, which was a well kept secret, and old men like Sonny just healed more slowly. He asked the Florida Boxing Commission for a postponement of the fight. He was turned down and fought the six rounds with the damaged left shoulder, which he completely tore up during the fight. He had no jab and no left hook that night because of it."

1965-05-25
·Sonny Liston

215 lbs

World Heavyweight title
Obviously Liston's age (nearly 10 years older than Klitschko) wasn't enough to secure Ali a win. Liston's kids had to be kidnapped by Ali's friends (Nation of Islam) and the referee had to be bribed so that Ali can keep his title. Lowest crowd in history (2000+) of all heavyweight title fights. This era sucks huge time.
Ali got his WBA belt stripped by the WBA for rematching Sonny Liston.

1965-11-22
·Floyd Patterson

196 lbs

World Heavyweight title
Is this a joke? I thought we got rid of Patterson for good, when Liston decapitated him. Why is Ali fighting washed up opponents? And why did it take Ali 12 rounds to KO 6'0'' Patterson? Ali is such a featherfist.

1966-03-29
·George Chuvalo

216 lbs

World Heavyweight title
Who the heck is Chuvalo? 34-11? Seriously?
Additionally coming off a loss against a cruiser bum (Hector Eduardo Corletti, 11-2, 191 lbs). Chuvalo has lost 2 of his last 3 fights?

1966-05-21
·Henry Cooper

188 lbs

World Heavyweight title
216 lbs was too heavy for poor Ali. He wants his 57 lbs and 8-year advantage again.

1966-08-06
·Brian London

201 lbs

World Heavyweight title
London is a cruiser. And what is Ali padding up his championship record with 35-13 bums like London, who are nearly 8 years older than him? What a crappy era.

1966-09-10
·Karl Mildenberger

195 lbs

World Heavyweight title
How in the world did this featherfist (30%+ KO'ratio) earn a title shot? By beating Ivan Prebeg (13-9, 182 lbs)? SERIOUSSSSLYYYY?
And did you know what Ali will say a few years later? That Mildenberger was a tougher opponent than Frazier. Don't know whether to laugh or to cry. Worst era in heavyweight boxing!

1966-11-14
·Cleveland Williams

210 lbs

World Heavyweight title
Just as I thought it couldn't get any worse, Ali fights a corpse. Cleveland Williams (nearly 9 years older than Ali) couldn't train properly the entire year because he was in a hospital after a gun shot. A shadow of himself (intestines and parts of the kidneys removed), limping and outweighed by 35 lbs it was point and shoot for Ali. Probably the low point in Ali's heavyweight run so far.

1967-02-06
·Ernie Terrell

212 lbs

World Heavyweight title
Is Ali ducking hard punchers? Why in the world would he fight such a featherfist (KO'ratio 40%)? Ernie Terell is in the BOTTOM-2 of the most featherfisted heavyweight champs of all time (out of 78 heavyweight champs).

1967-03-22
·Zora Folley

202 lbs

World Heavyweight title
I am speechless, that featherfist (40% KO'ratio) Zora Folley (7 years older than Ali) gets a title shot. Obviously beating three bums (Floyd Joyner 22-11, Jefferson Davis 28-10, Henry Clark 8-2) secures you a title shot these days. Such a poor era.

That is the REAL breakdown of Ali's "achievements" during his dream run. Cruisers and light heavies. Bums and losers. And padded or faded oldies.

I'm impressed! 64-67 Ali. LOL The Greatest of all time ey!

[Max Power]

And let's not forget Ali still got pasted in a lot of these fights. And that he enjoyed either a weight advantage or a height advantage or usually both over those opponents.

It seems Ali's "speed" was only telling when he also enjoyed a size and range gift too.