The truth about America.

[mrbig1]

OMG, you are so right. I lived in Alabama so I know what you're talking about. I'm 59 years old. I remember when there was strong unions which made America strong. In my day only the father worked. A mom was able to stay home and take care of the children. That fucking T.V. told us if we rid ourselves of unions that would be a better life for all Americans. That only resulted in lower wages. Now both Mom and Dad have to work just to live pay check to pay check. There's no one home to watch the kids when they get home from school. Thus drugs and teen pregnancy has entered in. The very same politicians who fuck us say they love America and Jesus. The fact is they love neither.

[brocktonblockbust]

911 fucked everyone over. Fear of terrorism is what governments use to impose bullshit on you. They are the fucking terrorists.

[Beanz]

Who are you blaming Kirkland? Our generation? Our parents? Or the current generation coming through now? Both my kids are in their twenties and more than capable of voting or taking affirmative direct action, but they do not. What do you propose people do to make the world a fairer place?

[walrus]

Who are you blaming Kirkland? Our generation? Our parents? Or the current generation coming through now? Both my kids are in their twenties and more than capable of voting or taking affirmative direct action, but they do not. What do you propose people do to make the world a fairer place?

We will just continue to bitch about it and add another trillion do the debt.

[Kirkland Laing]

Who are you blaming Kirkland? Our generation? Our parents? Or the current generation coming through now? Both my kids are in their twenties and more than capable of voting or taking affirmative direct action, but they do not. What do you propose people do to make the world a fairer place?

We will just continue to bitch about it and add another trillion do the debt.

Adding trillions to the debt isn't a problem. You could double the US national debt overnight with zero consequences provided you put in place a system where top earners and corporations paid a fair share of taxation and national income was shared more equitably. That would actually be outstanding value for money.

[Kirkland Laing]

Who are you blaming Kirkland? Our generation? Our parents? Or the current generation coming through now? Both my kids are in their twenties and more than capable of voting or taking affirmative direct action, but they do not. What do you propose people do to make the world a fairer place?

Answer my question and then I'll answer yours.

[Beanz]

Who are you blaming Kirkland? Our generation? Our parents? Or the current generation coming through now? Both my kids are in their twenties and more than capable of voting or taking affirmative direct action, but they do not. What do you propose people do to make the world a fairer place?

Answer my question and then I'll answer yours.

What Question ? You are mostly questions with very few answers.

Firstly my Kids have had and continue to have a way better standard of living than I ever had at their age and have been afforded many more opportunities. I went to the poorest Secondary school in the city and they both had private educations. No I do not think unrestrained globalisation is necessarily a good thing just as multiculturalism often results in a culture free mush where the native culture is buried under good intentions. Yes I think your rote response to killersheep is dumb because you didn't like his apparent happiness to change you felt the need to introduce another element into the argument in order not to concede anything, You seem to have real issues with conceding anything.

Governments have always been puppets but people today are more vocal about being able to see the strings of those behind the scenes. It is a situation you have to make the best of but you seem to be more concerned with the USA than the UK. Do you really care or are you just trying to look for another opportunity to get a graph or bar chart out. You are not at work now mate.

[Kirkland Laing]

Who are you blaming Kirkland? Our generation? Our parents? Or the current generation coming through now? Both my kids are in their twenties and more than capable of voting or taking affirmative direct action, but they do not. What do you propose people do to make the world a fairer place?

Answer my question and then I'll answer yours.

What Question ? You are mostly questions with very few answers.

Firstly my Kids have had and continue to have a way better standard of living than I ever had at their age and have been afforded many more opportunities. I went to the poorest Secondary school in the city and they both had private educations. No I do not think unrestrained globalisation is necessarily a good thing just as multiculturalism often results in a culture free mush where the native culture is buried under good intentions. Yes I think your rote response to killersheep is dumb because you didn't like his apparent happiness to change you felt the need to introduce another element into the argument in order not to concede anything, You seem to have real issues with conceding anything.

Governments have always been puppets but people today are more vocal about being able to see the strings of those behind the scenes. It is a situation you have to make the best of but you seem to be more concerned with the USA than the UK. Do you really care or are you just trying to look for another opportunity to get a graph or bar chart out. You are not at work now mate.

Here's my dumb argument again with the question at the end, helpfully indicated by a question mark so you know what to answer :

I'm talking about being able to provide a roof over the head of your family, feed clothe and educate them to at least the standard you had and then watching them being able to have at least the same standard of living as you did.

The fact that globalisation has increased job insecurity, cut wages in developed countries and is continuing to arbitrage western labour rates down to Asian levels for the forseeable future is actually the number one concern of Americans. It's their number one concern despite a 24/7 media culture of trying to keep them terrified about something, whether it's Saddam's fearsome WMD or suitcase nukes or whatever.

And they're right to be concerned. Presumably you would like your kids to have at least the same opportunities and standard of living as you had. If the economy wasn't getting bigger then there's a concrete reason why this couldn't happen. But the economy is getting bigger, just the benefits of economic and productivity growth are going entirely to less than 1% of the population.

Future generations will have decreased job security, a large percentage will experience long periods of unemployment/reduced hours/low wages and there'll be a much-decreased social safety net for them to rely on to house and feed their families in these times. Are you OK with that or is this a dumb argument?


I hope your kids do much better than you've done in life but this is manifestly not going to be the case for the majority of British or American people or anybody else in wealthy countries if things continue like they are which was the point I was originally making before you butted in. I'm not interested in posting graphs or charts or anything else, I'm just trying to make my arguments as clear and as evidential as possible and charts and graphs often help in these matters so that's why I use them.

[Beanz]

Who are you blaming Kirkland? Our generation? Our parents? Or the current generation coming through now? Both my kids are in their twenties and more than capable of voting or taking affirmative direct action, but they do not. What do you propose people do to make the world a fairer place?

Answer my question and then I'll answer yours.

What Question ? You are mostly questions with very few answers.

Firstly my Kids have had and continue to have a way better standard of living than I ever had at their age and have been afforded many more opportunities. I went to the poorest Secondary school in the city and they both had private educations. No I do not think unrestrained globalisation is necessarily a good thing just as multiculturalism often results in a culture free mush where the native culture is buried under good intentions. Yes I think your rote response to killersheep is dumb because you didn't like his apparent happiness to change you felt the need to introduce another element into the argument in order not to concede anything, You seem to have real issues with conceding anything.

Governments have always been puppets but people today are more vocal about being able to see the strings of those behind the scenes. It is a situation you have to make the best of but you seem to be more concerned with the USA than the UK. Do you really care or are you just trying to look for another opportunity to get a graph or bar chart out. You are not at work now mate.

Here's my dumb argument again with the question at the end, helpfully indicated by a question mark so you know what to answer :

I'm talking about being able to provide a roof over the head of your family, feed clothe and educate them to at least the standard you had and then watching them being able to have at least the same standard of living as you did.

The fact that globalisation has increased job insecurity, cut wages in developed countries and is continuing to arbitrage western labour rates down to Asian levels for the forseeable future is actually the number one concern of Americans. It's their number one concern despite a 24/7 media culture of trying to keep them terrified about something, whether it's Saddam's fearsome WMD or suitcase nukes or whatever.

And they're right to be concerned. Presumably you would like your kids to have at least the same opportunities and standard of living as you had. If the economy wasn't getting bigger then there's a concrete reason why this couldn't happen. But the economy is getting bigger, just the benefits of economic and productivity growth are going entirely to less than 1% of the population.

Future generations will have decreased job security, a large percentage will experience long periods of unemployment/reduced hours/low wages and there'll be a much-decreased social safety net for them to rely on to house and feed their families in these times. Are you OK with that or is this a dumb argument?


I hope your kids do much better than you've done in life but this is manifestly not going to be the case for the majority of British or American people or anybody else in wealthy countries if things continue like they are which was the point I was originally making before you butted in. I'm not interested in posting graphs or charts or anything else, I'm just trying to make my arguments as clear and as evidential as possible and charts and graphs often help in these matters so that's why I use them.

It's a public forum and I responded to a post in a thread, that is hardly butting in. Most of my peers killed themselves so I think I have actually done quite well in my life. I don't know how you measure success but personally, for me, financial gain has never really been a great measuring stick for anything. Yes everything is turning to shit, which you keep telling us, without ever providing answers, but people already know this, it isn't news.

[walrus]

Who are you blaming Kirkland? Our generation? Our parents? Or the current generation coming through now? Both my kids are in their twenties and more than capable of voting or taking affirmative direct action, but they do not. What do you propose people do to make the world a fairer place?

Answer my question and then I'll answer yours.

What Question ? You are mostly questions with very few answers.

Firstly my Kids have had and continue to have a way better standard of living than I ever had at their age and have been afforded many more opportunities. I went to the poorest Secondary school in the city and they both had private educations. No I do not think unrestrained globalisation is necessarily a good thing just as multiculturalism often results in a culture free mush where the native culture is buried under good intentions. Yes I think your rote response to killersheep is dumb because you didn't like his apparent happiness to change you felt the need to introduce another element into the argument in order not to concede anything, You seem to have real issues with conceding anything.

Governments have always been puppets but people today are more vocal about being able to see the strings of those behind the scenes. It is a situation you have to make the best of but you seem to be more concerned with the USA than the UK. Do you really care or are you just trying to look for another opportunity to get a graph or bar chart out. You are not at work now mate.

Here's my dumb argument again with the question at the end, helpfully indicated by a question mark so you know what to answer :

I'm talking about being able to provide a roof over the head of your family, feed clothe and educate them to at least the standard you had and then watching them being able to have at least the same standard of living as you did.

The fact that globalisation has increased job insecurity, cut wages in developed countries and is continuing to arbitrage western labour rates down to Asian levels for the forseeable future is actually the number one concern of Americans. It's their number one concern despite a 24/7 media culture of trying to keep them terrified about something, whether it's Saddam's fearsome WMD or suitcase nukes or whatever.

And they're right to be concerned. Presumably you would like your kids to have at least the same opportunities and standard of living as you had. If the economy wasn't getting bigger then there's a concrete reason why this couldn't happen. But the economy is getting bigger, just the benefits of economic and productivity growth are going entirely to less than 1% of the population.

Future generations will have decreased job security, a large percentage will experience long periods of unemployment/reduced hours/low wages and there'll be a much-decreased social safety net for them to rely on to house and feed their families in these times. Are you OK with that or is this a dumb argument?


I hope your kids do much better than you've done in life but this is manifestly not going to be the case for the majority of British or American people or anybody else in wealthy countries if things continue like they are which was the point I was originally making before you butted in. I'm not interested in posting graphs or charts or anything else, I'm just trying to make my arguments as clear and as evidential as possible and charts and graphs often help in these matters so that's why I use them.

It's a public forum and I responded to a post in a thread, that is hardly butting in. Most of my peers killed themselves so I think I have actually done quite well in my life. I don't know how you measure success but personally, for me, financial gain has never really been a great measuring stick for anything. Yes everything is turning to shit, which you keep telling us, without ever providing answers, but people already know this, it isn't news.

I don't know if you were kidding but if you were not I am sorry to hear of your friends. I had a couple who hung it up, terrible feeling, especially tragic for family members.

On topic, everyone of you, as soon as you wake up you should kiss America's ass for what we have done for the world. We go in, rescue countries and only ask for a plot of land to lay our dead to rest.God Bless America.

[Kirkland Laing]

Who are you blaming Kirkland? Our generation? Our parents? Or the current generation coming through now? Both my kids are in their twenties and more than capable of voting or taking affirmative direct action, but they do not. What do you propose people do to make the world a fairer place?

Answer my question and then I'll answer yours.

What Question ? You are mostly questions with very few answers.

Firstly my Kids have had and continue to have a way better standard of living than I ever had at their age and have been afforded many more opportunities. I went to the poorest Secondary school in the city and they both had private educations. No I do not think unrestrained globalisation is necessarily a good thing just as multiculturalism often results in a culture free mush where the native culture is buried under good intentions. Yes I think your rote response to killersheep is dumb because you didn't like his apparent happiness to change you felt the need to introduce another element into the argument in order not to concede anything, You seem to have real issues with conceding anything.

Governments have always been puppets but people today are more vocal about being able to see the strings of those behind the scenes. It is a situation you have to make the best of but you seem to be more concerned with the USA than the UK. Do you really care or are you just trying to look for another opportunity to get a graph or bar chart out. You are not at work now mate.

Here's my dumb argument again with the question at the end, helpfully indicated by a question mark so you know what to answer :

I'm talking about being able to provide a roof over the head of your family, feed clothe and educate them to at least the standard you had and then watching them being able to have at least the same standard of living as you did.

The fact that globalisation has increased job insecurity, cut wages in developed countries and is continuing to arbitrage western labour rates down to Asian levels for the forseeable future is actually the number one concern of Americans. It's their number one concern despite a 24/7 media culture of trying to keep them terrified about something, whether it's Saddam's fearsome WMD or suitcase nukes or whatever.

And they're right to be concerned. Presumably you would like your kids to have at least the same opportunities and standard of living as you had. If the economy wasn't getting bigger then there's a concrete reason why this couldn't happen. But the economy is getting bigger, just the benefits of economic and productivity growth are going entirely to less than 1% of the population.

Future generations will have decreased job security, a large percentage will experience long periods of unemployment/reduced hours/low wages and there'll be a much-decreased social safety net for them to rely on to house and feed their families in these times. Are you OK with that or is this a dumb argument?


I hope your kids do much better than you've done in life but this is manifestly not going to be the case for the majority of British or American people or anybody else in wealthy countries if things continue like they are which was the point I was originally making before you butted in. I'm not interested in posting graphs or charts or anything else, I'm just trying to make my arguments as clear and as evidential as possible and charts and graphs often help in these matters so that's why I use them.

It's a public forum and I responded to a post in a thread, that is hardly butting in. Most of my peers killed themselves so I think I have actually done quite well in my life. I don't know how you measure success but personally, for me, financial gain has never really been a great measuring stick for anything. Yes everything is turning to shit, which you keep telling us, without ever providing answers, but people already know this, it isn't news.

I'm happy you butted in, I'm not critcising you for butting in. So we both agree that to use a term the kids use today, things are fucked up and bullshit.

There isn't much we can do. At some point things may get so bad that there's some kind of popular insurrection but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

[mrbig1]

Who are you blaming Kirkland? Our generation? Our parents? Or the current generation coming through now? Both my kids are in their twenties and more than capable of voting or taking affirmative direct action, but they do not. What do you propose people do to make the world a fairer place?

Answer my question and then I'll answer yours.

I would like to answer the question. The T.V. can talk 90% of the American people into anything. They talked us into a war that was pure 100% bullshit. They even told us that if the rich had more money and did away with unions. That would mean a better life for working people. They believe it!!!. 50% of all Americans will be born and die less than 20 miles from home. I thought like most Americans that we have the best living standard in the world. Then I when to Germany and then France. We are light years from them. In fact a person from Canada once told me she couldn't believe how poor American are. Everyone who comes to this Country says the same thing. They watch American T.V. in other counties. Not one show shows the real America. Everybody is rich and have no bills. The fact is most Americans live from pay check to pay check.

[Kirkland Laing]

Who are you blaming Kirkland? Our generation? Our parents? Or the current generation coming through now? Both my kids are in their twenties and more than capable of voting or taking affirmative direct action, but they do not. What do you propose people do to make the world a fairer place?

Answer my question and then I'll answer yours.

I would like to answer the question. The T.V. can talk 90% of the American people into anything. They talked us into a war that was pure 100% bullshit. They even told us that if the rich had more money and did away with unions. That would mean a better life for working people. They believe it!!!. 50% of all Americans will be born and die less than 20 miles from home. I thought like most Americans that we have the best living standard in the world. Then I when to Germany and then France. We are light years from them. In fact a person from Canada once told me she couldn't believe how poor American are. Everyone who comes to this Country says the same thing. They watch American T.V. in other counties. Not one show shows the real America. Everybody is rich and have no bills. The fact is most Americans live from pay check to pay check.

There's been a big change in how Americans view their personal circumstances recently. Up to 2008 around 80% of Americans considered themselves middle class even though some of those people were around the poverty line. People generally had the idea that they either used to be better off so still considered themselves middle class or that hings would get better in the future and they'd join/rejoin the middle class. Now the number considering themselves middle class has fallen to about 50% and a big chunk of people are describing themselves as working class even though that particular description is never used in the media.

Also recent surveys show well over 50% of Americans are now living paycheque to paycheque. Fuck. Just googled it. 76%.

76% of Americans are living paycheck-to-paycheck - Jun. 24, 2013

A triumph of globalisation.

[Beanz]

Who are you blaming Kirkland? Our generation? Our parents? Or the current generation coming through now? Both my kids are in their twenties and more than capable of voting or taking affirmative direct action, but they do not. What do you propose people do to make the world a fairer place?

Answer my question and then I'll answer yours.

I would like to answer the question. The T.V. can talk 90% of the American people into anything. They talked us into a war that was pure 100% bullshit. They even told us that if the rich had more money and did away with unions. That would mean a better life for working people. They believe it!!!. 50% of all Americans will be born and die less than 20 miles from home. I thought like most Americans that we have the best living standard in the world. Then I when to Germany and then France. We are light years from them. In fact a person from Canada once told me she couldn't believe how poor American are. Everyone who comes to this Country says the same thing. They watch American T.V. in other counties. Not one show shows the real America. Everybody is rich and have no bills. The fact is most Americans live from pay check to pay check.

Most Europeans live from paycheck to paycheck, it is no better over here for the majority. The unions have for the most part been crushed and the elite are stomping over everyone else. The working class, the poor , the old and disabled are all f**ked while the uber rich and privileged become even more wealthy and powerful.