Quote Originally Posted by Mr140 View Post
Listen most of the guys were over 200 pounds that not cw and i don't think weighing 230 makes your chin way better cant really buff up your chin. If that was true then Lewis and Wlad would not have been knocked that fuck out like they were man weight 210 to 220 with a well placed punch can end things.
Look I'm not saying that being very heavy automatically confers iron chin and power punching, of course that is not always the case. Valuev was not the hardest hitter, and Wlad definitely doesn't have the hardest chin. Conversely Tyson was a hard hitter and Holyfield did have an iron chin.

The point is though is that I'm not stating these "laws of boxing" if you will for individual circumstances, I am stating them as general principles that can be applied to all opponents across a boxers career. That the heftier the opponents are, the harder they hit and the harder the punch they can take! That is statistically and reasonably obvious!

Yeah sure I'm not denying that a 210-220lbs guy could KO a big man. Tyson obviously could.

Frazier and Ali did not. Shavers never did unless the opponent was either Bummy, or a glass jaw named Ken Norton.

McCall, Rahman and Sanders were the only cold KO's of Wlad and Lenny (Puritty was a gas and Brewster was an illness), and all 3 of them involved cracker punches the likes of which Ali never took or never could deliver.

Shavers might have produced a punch somewhere approaching the power of McCall (although I would argue otherwise) but he could never have delivered it on Wlad or Lenny.

One thing I want you to understand is that those old school "HW's" that weighed 200-210lbs, were what we would today consider CW's. Today's CW's undergo an artificial dehydration days before the fight to make weight and often put on as much as 15lbs before the actual fight.

So when I say that a CW fighter today would have been considered a HW back in Ali's day for instance, they in fact ARE real HW's at fight time even by todays standard!