Re: Is this the worst era in HW boxing history?
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Mr140
Who did Peters ever knock out that was worth a shit or top ten Max i not going look up the shit but i pretty sure none i feel his power is overrated he lost to fat mw in his prime as well with not much power. Admek could not make it in Lhw division lacks power at hw is top ten, Chambers no punch cw was a top ten. Bryde has the best wins of any opponent Wald ever fought and was established champ also a cw blown up really right. Only good guys that are 240 plus really were Lewis, Wald, Vitali, Bowe and Old George Foreman. Most the best fighters aren't giants right now besides the brothers i think any one from 70's up do fine in this era including Ali. I am not even fan of his Holyfeild is my favorite fighter but i am sure Ali could outbox a lot people of today how much footage have seen of him anyhow may i ask.
What you mean is that the names on Peter's record are unfamiliar to you. Maskaev was a HW champ and if I am not mistaken, beating another champ is a pretty bloody great achievement. Especially since Maskaev was a multiple champ and beat Rahman 2ce who beat Lewis. But Let's compare Peters complete list of opponents to Fraziers
A long list of the names on Fraziers record are obscure also. And a lot of the known names were not as good as say a humdrum opponent of Peters like Charles Shufford.
On close inspection you will find that half the opponents of Frazier are not even real HW's today. Frazier and Peter have similar fight experience in the 30+ fight range but all of Peters opponents are real HW's where as Frazier's real 200+ experience is only 14-4.
Today, we would call that a bum record and say he should go back to Cruiser. What's more those opponents of Frazier are actually worse because even amongst the real 200+ HWs he fought, their own records also consisted largely of what is today called CW, and so any opponent of Samuel's conversely, their records consist mainly of 200+ HW's as well (unless the opponents opponent stepped up from CW of course but the incidences are still much less), so the HW fight experience of Peter's opponents, let alone Peters himself is far greater than Frazier's.
So before you rubbish the opponents of Samuel Peter whom you admittedly rubbished without even analysing, strong conclusions can already be drawn about him from his record, even if you don't recognise famous names. And remember just because you know who a boxer was on Frazier's record that would not help him to survive! And look now to the KO streak and % of Peter. And also notice that the several losses Peter accumulated were end of career too post Klitschko when he started to get lazy and fat (apart from Klitschko losses themselves).
Frazier in fact seems to be afraid of hefty fighters because his experience above the weight of 215 lbs is only 1-2, 2 destoyings from Foreman and one victory against Busther MAthis, a very fat, unconditioned fighter who gassed out in the late rounds which he'd never been in before. Peter weighed 230+ lbs always! And Peter did NOT lose to a fat middleweight, he won both fights!
Tomasz Adamek is a featherfist at HW, he is also a very tough little boxer with great all round boxing skills. He has had some success because of his quality as a fighter and also struggles to compete at top level though because of his physical limitations, as would Ali, who is of similar proportions and quality. Adamek is strength trained to become a HW just like Holyfield.
Your quip about Adamek is complete BS. He was a light-weight champion, only losing 1 fight to Chad Dawson another top boxer. Then he was a CW champion. Then he was a HW contender as he muscled up. Overall Adamek was a 7 time world champion across 2 divisions but failed to capture one at HW because of his restrictions! That tells me he is a superb boxer but also underlines the power of the HW division! And remember what happened against Klitschko, he was like a school boy getting batted around.
Chambers and Byrd were both successful because they were escapologists but both also had difficulties against the better+larger opponents too. Byrd does have a great record too of names that you obviously recognise but the ease with which Wladimir found him and batted him around again testifies to the limits that Byrd could achieve. And remember the only opponent Byrd managed to conincingly KO of real toughness was Jimmy Thunder, a simple slugger.
So throw Haye and Holyfield in there too and you have basically exhausted the list of former CW's that have been successful at HW not just at this one time but over the course of the last decade and a half! That small list! Compared to the 50 odd that were so in the 60's and 70's at top level! Obviously it got harder and harder for them to compete which is why they invented CW in the first place. Only the very brave and determined ones step up to mix it with the big boys now!
Those 5 are the only good big guys are they. Those 5 are right at the top, I give you that but there are plenty of 240+ big guys who were still good. They were either HW champs or top contenders. By that standard the list encompasses a lengthy list.
Look at Vitali Klitschko's opponent list. Post Lewis and inclusive- they were virtually ALL 240+ lbs with the exception of Adamek who was still as hefty as ther bigger HW's of the 70's, and were unbeaten (or nearly unbeaten), past, present or future champs.
As for right now, Tyson Fury, Kubrat Pulev are over 240 definite and the rest of the top 10 in every belt are approaching. No fighter at all is below 220lbs atm, not even the smallest, Tomasz Adamek.
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your the worst type of boxing fan, you don't know shit and you are disrespectful to former fighters. I doubt you have ever stepped in the ring, you throw the word bum around and it makes me think you are all talk. Your arguments are pointless, it's all relative. Planes today are better, so are cars etc. But without a starting point and development through the years we don't get to where we are 
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