Is this the worst era in HW boxing history?

[Max Power]

hats off to max power, you might not agree with his posts but he certainly comes prepared to post.. Good to have different opinions on forums.. good work !

Yeah, nobody has to agree. It's just an opinion same as anyone elses!!

[Mr140]

Oleg was champ because a Trinket was up for grabs and Rahman had not beaten a good opponent since Lewis which was a fucking long time ago. Not mention Losing Ruiz and Holyfeild then got a draw with fucking fat Tony. Oleg has been koed a lot after and before Peter actual Oleg every fucking lose has been from a ok so that doesn't tell much about peters power. Also beside Oleg Peter never beat anyone else that was rated top heavy when he fought them. I am just saying that's a guy who should not have caused Wlad the problems he did and i don't thing the 250 to 260 weight did him much good just makes him slow. Most of this eras fighters i mean the 00's at least were people who could not make it in the 90's era and are not better the 80's really. The late 70's guys could most likely hang and few of them did pretty well when they were old as shit. Wlad chin is shit is what i am saying i guess doesn't get hit anymore which is good improvement. The divsion right now is like the 80's with out Tyson and maybe not as Boring as with the 1980's with Holmes. The opponents are ok and then there a few maybe great fighters but overall division far from great.

[Max Power]

Well I will maintain my position that Peter is a very hard puncher, I don't think too many would disagree with that.

Now we're onto Wlad's chin by the looks of it.

I noticed even that Classic fool from Boxing News 24 VG_Addict made a thread here regarding Wlad's chin.

Let's take a look at it. Wladimir for a start has now 65? fights all of them 200+ and within the most power-trained and heftiest era in history. That's the most numerous and combined heaviest real HW record of any boxer of all time. And in that time he only 3 times, just THREE was stopped.

One of those was not really a legitimate loss, he would have fallen over anyway a few moments later, he finished the fight on his feet anyway (was not canvas KO'd) even despite the illness.

Of the 2 remaining losses, one of them was a gas out, that is not a chin issue. Otherwise you'd be claiming Foreman had a glass jaw as well!

The remaining loss was against a 6'4" 226lb very fast and aggressive southpaw with a cracker punch. Wlad did not prepare properly as he underestimated him and was taken by surprise and hurt before he could work out the awkward opponent. This marks the only occasion where Wlad was in fact dropped by raw punching power.

But wait there's more to the story! Not only was Sanders no featherfist, unlike some other boxers who have been KO'd be lesser punchers, not only did Wladimir get up several times and still finished the fight on his feet but the whole thing was in fact kicked off by the first hook that was sandwiched by a massive headbutt. That would have badly hurt anybody!

And then there's Peter, a very hard puncher, just look at him! And Wlad got up several times, showing both heart AND chin, to win the fight!

He's only been down a handful of other times in his entire career, the biggest and hardest hitting career of all time!

So Wladimir has always finished a fight on his feet and has never really been stopped by what amounts to a clearly weak chin, not even by Sanders and has on several occasions demonstrated he can take a good punch. He survived Peter, he took a full blooded, unprotected punch from Ruslan Chagaev too and did not wince. He even looks like he could take a decent punch.

Now I'm not saying Wladimir has an iron chin, he doesn't. But I am saying he has a pretty decent chin and that his is widely and severely underrated.

It's not his fault he is so good that he does not get hit often. And if he is capable of avoiding punishment, why the fuck would he want to get hit! Especially in this division! Using his defence as a negative against him is ridiculous.

Equally ridiculous is really thinking the most dominant HW champion of the world of all time for a decade has a weak chin! Were that the case, he'd not be where he is now!

[Max Power]

"Oleg was a champ because a trinket was up for grabs"...

Yeah, the same reason why Frazier and Norton were champs too right?

[Mr140]

Tell me what exactly did Rahamn do to deserve the belt He beat no one worth a shit for years has a draw with Tony and he is champ come on. Fact that Oleg even got a belt shows me that today it is even more of a joke to have belt then was back then no reason they should of even had a strap. Frazier and Norton beat some body that was at least top at the time i mean Rahamn was not even close to being top dog and Oleg got a trinket that is about it and there are so many flying around kinda takes the meaning of it away don't you think.

[Max Power]

Monte Barrett was better than any opponent for Rahman than any that Frazier or Norton fought for their titles!!

That's what I think!

All these titles, really I think we should go back to 3 titles. So we can still have eliminators etc. Sure I'll give you that the larger number of titles makes winning a single one not as "special" as it was previously the less titles their were. That to me is just a nominal thing though. Still even if we consider 6 major titles, winning any one of those is a pretty significant statement about the quality of the boxer within the criteria of the era.

On the other side, when it comes to the dominant champions like Wladimir, winning, unifying and keeping several different titles is a greater feat nominally than doing so for a single title (they are collectively harder to acquire and hold on to!)

But yeah 3 titles I think would be good. Something like the 80's situation with the WBC, WBA and the IBF.

Again, can you really imagine what would happen if you put Frazier or Norton in with Rahman? Gosh there'd be glass shards flying across the other side of the stadium. Rahman could really fuckin bang man! Just look at him!

[Mr140]

Well i think Spinks, Foreman, Young and Ron even could give Rahman run if not beat him. I am pretty sure Foreman could smash him because his chin was tad better. Rahman can bang but he lost to a lot of guys he could not knock out ok Joe and Ken had bad chins but they gave Ali as much problems as guys that do better today. I mean old Ken gave Holmes a run for his money and look what he ended up doing Rahamn has a bangers shot but can be out boxed and fucked up him self guy lost to Ruiz for god sake and old Holyfeild. Say what you want about some old fighters getting better with age but Holyfeild depended on his speed and out put and that is the first thing to go still fucking made Rahman look bad dude had a punch thats about it ok boxer. I mean he had some good wins with Sanders and Lewis But the man was like one hit wonder because then look at the boxers he lost to right after word just saying.