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    Default Re: Roy Jones would have beat all these idiots

    Quote Originally Posted by zhubin View Post
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    I cannot give Roy a pass on cleaning out today's top tier when he didn't do it in his own day, whatever and whomever was to blame. It's just too wide a brush for me to paint with. Roy missed a few chances to stamp greatness in stone from where I sit. Pazienza, Brannon..come on. His wins over Hill, Toney and Hopkins were tops for me but I really think he had Toney psyched out before the bell even sounded. Hopkins was green in the sence of mass spotlight exposure compared to Jones as he was fresh off headlining cards on BET ffs but his skills were obvious but far more seek & destroy than the thinking chess player he became.
    Who exactly is today's "top tier"? Aside from Ward...you are going to tell me guys like GGG and Stevenson would match Roy Jones?! If we are going to criticize Roy's resume....who the fuck have Stevenson and GGG fought up to this point. And i don't understand why people keep trying to diminish his wins over Toney and Hopkins. While Hopkins might have been a bit "green"...it's not like he developed a ton more...he has always been a guy who relies on craftiness anyways. No version of Hopkins would beat a prime Roy...because Roy just had to much on him physically. Toney was psyched out?! Who cares?! He lost the fight he came into as the favorite. One guy performed better...end of. As far as the guys Roy SHOULD have fought. It's a two way street. Boxing is a BUSINESS. Promoters, money, venue...all play into shit. But it's just so much easier to just he was ducking fighters.
    Its a personal observation so lighten up. I didn't diminish shit..what part of tops for me didn't you get...just pointed out what I saw without having my nose so far up his arse that I couldn't see a point of view. Toney seemed shook, around here that's a compliment to the guy he is facing. His speed and flat feet would not have kept up with Jones reflex no matter what. Hopkins was not the 'prime' fighter then he became, guys mature and evolve skill and watching him in 94 or 04 or 14 its obvious he changed. Fight wasn't close and Roy got it when it mattered as clearly he was further gone in rematch. It's not all sunshine and unicorns walking on water for any fighter and every record or era. I'm the last guy to defend a chump like Stevenson but Roy and Golovkin can both say they have carried opponents in the ring and faced a fair share of mediocre mandatories and showcases to make the crowd go ohhhh. It very much is a two way street. I get tired of seeing modern eras as well as eras we never lived dismissed so easily on a few chosen few "greats" or "future -enter so and so's name here-" who still had or have a house to clean. He was a phenom, he wasn't a fookin god.

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    Default Re: Roy Jones would have beat all these idiots

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    I cannot give Roy a pass on cleaning out today's top tier when he didn't do it in his own day, whatever and whomever was to blame. It's just too wide a brush for me to paint with. Roy missed a few chances to stamp greatness in stone from where I sit. Pazienza, Brannon..come on. His wins over Hill, Toney and Hopkins were tops for me but I really think he had Toney psyched out before the bell even sounded. Hopkins was green in the sence of mass spotlight exposure compared to Jones as he was fresh off headlining cards on BET ffs but his skills were obvious but far more seek & destroy than the thinking chess player he became.
    Who exactly is today's "top tier"? Aside from Ward...you are going to tell me guys like GGG and Stevenson would match Roy Jones?! If we are going to criticize Roy's resume....who the fuck have Stevenson and GGG fought up to this point. And i don't understand why people keep trying to diminish his wins over Toney and Hopkins. While Hopkins might have been a bit "green"...it's not like he developed a ton more...he has always been a guy who relies on craftiness anyways. No version of Hopkins would beat a prime Roy...because Roy just had to much on him physically. Toney was psyched out?! Who cares?! He lost the fight he came into as the favorite. One guy performed better...end of. As far as the guys Roy SHOULD have fought. It's a two way street. Boxing is a BUSINESS. Promoters, money, venue...all play into shit. But it's just so much easier to just he was ducking fighters.
    Its a personal observation so lighten up. I didn't diminish shit..what part of tops for me didn't you get...just pointed out what I saw without having my nose so far up his arse that I couldn't see a point of view. Toney seemed shook, around here that's a compliment to the guy he is facing. His speed and flat feet would not have kept up with Jones reflex no matter what. Hopkins was not the 'prime' fighter then he became, guys mature and evolve skill and watching him in 94 or 04 or 14 its obvious he changed. Fight wasn't close and Roy got it when it mattered as clearly he was further gone in rematch. It's not all sunshine and unicorns walking on water for any fighter and every record or era. I'm the last guy to defend a chump like Stevenson but Roy and Golovkin can both say they have carried opponents in the ring and faced a fair share of mediocre mandatories and showcases to make the crowd go ohhhh. It very much is a two way street. I get tired of seeing modern eras as well as eras we never lived dismissed so easily on a few chosen few "greats" or "future -enter so and so's name here-" who still had or have a house to clean. He was a phenom, he wasn't a fookin god.
    I never said he was a god. Almost any fighter past or present...great champion or not...can have his resume picked apart. I am just pointing out that very often fights don't get made because of the business/political aspect of the sport or simply timing...it doesn't have to mean a fighter is scared or ducking people.

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    I cannot give Roy a pass on cleaning out today's top tier when he didn't do it in his own day, whatever and whomever was to blame. It's just too wide a brush for me to paint with. Roy missed a few chances to stamp greatness in stone from where I sit. Pazienza, Brannon..come on. His wins over Hill, Toney and Hopkins were tops for me but I really think he had Toney psyched out before the bell even sounded. Hopkins was green in the sence of mass spotlight exposure compared to Jones as he was fresh off headlining cards on BET ffs but his skills were obvious but far more seek & destroy than the thinking chess player he became.
    Who exactly is today's "top tier"? Aside from Ward...you are going to tell me guys like GGG and Stevenson would match Roy Jones?! If we are going to criticize Roy's resume....who the fuck have Stevenson and GGG fought up to this point. And i don't understand why people keep trying to diminish his wins over Toney and Hopkins. While Hopkins might have been a bit "green"...it's not like he developed a ton more...he has always been a guy who relies on craftiness anyways. No version of Hopkins would beat a prime Roy...because Roy just had to much on him physically. Toney was psyched out?! Who cares?! He lost the fight he came into as the favorite. One guy performed better...end of. As far as the guys Roy SHOULD have fought. It's a two way street. Boxing is a BUSINESS. Promoters, money, venue...all play into shit. But it's just so much easier to just he was ducking fighters.
    Its a personal observation so lighten up. I didn't diminish shit..what part of tops for me didn't you get...just pointed out what I saw without having my nose so far up his arse that I couldn't see a point of view. Toney seemed shook, around here that's a compliment to the guy he is facing. His speed and flat feet would not have kept up with Jones reflex no matter what. Hopkins was not the 'prime' fighter then he became, guys mature and evolve skill and watching him in 94 or 04 or 14 its obvious he changed. Fight wasn't close and Roy got it when it mattered as clearly he was further gone in rematch. It's not all sunshine and unicorns walking on water for any fighter and every record or era. I'm the last guy to defend a chump like Stevenson but Roy and Golovkin can both say they have carried opponents in the ring and faced a fair share of mediocre mandatories and showcases to make the crowd go ohhhh. It very much is a two way street. I get tired of seeing modern eras as well as eras we never lived dismissed so easily on a few chosen few "greats" or "future -enter so and so's name here-" who still had or have a house to clean. He was a phenom, he wasn't a fookin god.
    I never said he was a god. Almost any fighter past or present...great champion or not...can have his resume picked apart. I am just pointing out that very often fights don't get made because of the business/political aspect of the sport or simply timing...it doesn't have to mean a fighter is scared or ducking people.
    I know man, i just think sometimes people miss a record fight per fight and we can gloss over. but yeh, Its ironic and unfortunate as Showtime and Hbo are dead set on history repeating itself but now with Kovalev v Stevenson. Jones was given the largest network contract in the sports history up to that point and they were not, just as King was not, interested or in need of given fans the biggest fights possible.

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    If Roy had fought at least a few of his too challengers and only missed a couple, then I might agree that he wasn't sucking people. But for a guy claiming to be the greatest he failed to completely clean out any weight class he fought in. He was a phenom and a great fighter, but he was too business oriented and didn't have the love for fighting and devotion to be great. You can try and whine and get insulted all you want, but the truth is the guy was a more talented version of Donald Curry. Looks AMAZING blowing out no hopers until he takes a good one on the chin and everyone realizes the guy can't take a punch. Roy's resume is not impressive when you take his quality of opposition I to account.

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    Jones fought some pretty good guys and was able to move through weight classes but did miss out on a good majority of people he did not fight. But alot of them were across the pound the names that stick out are Hill, Hopkins, and Tony which are great names but he missed out on good amount of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr140 View Post
    he missed out on good amount of people.
    Again, I have to ask did he miss out or did those guys miss out? Roy was the undisputed #1 p4p in the world of boxing... why should he have to chase these guys? Why should he have to sign over his rights to Don King for the priviledge of fighting Nigel Benn? Why should he have to go over to someone's home country to fight them?

    These guys should have been BEGGING to fight Roy Jones, because Roy was the man and if they whipped Roy they would have elevated their careers and legacies sky high. But they didn't. They all either priced themselves out or came up with conditions/stipulations that they had no business making.

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    Did ANYONE think Douglas would beat Tyson? How many people thought Benn would beat G-Man? That argument makes no sense. Should Roy had been favored? Yes. Was it a sure win? No way. Roy didn't miss one or two guys, he missed all of his top challengers at any weight that he was in. The guy had amazing gifts, but he beat few quality guys, n only one guy ranked P4P. This isn't to say that Roy wasn't great n was a bum, but for huggers like zhubin or any of u clowns to say that he was a GOAT or that no one today stood a chance to beat him, u don't know the sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeeod View Post
    Did ANYONE think Douglas would beat Tyson? How many people thought Benn would beat G-Man? That argument makes no sense. Should Roy had been favored? Yes. Was it a sure win? No way. Roy didn't miss one or two guys, he missed all of his top challengers at any weight that he was in. The guy had amazing gifts, but he beat few quality guys, n only one guy ranked P4P. This isn't to say that Roy wasn't great n was a bum, but for huggers like zhubin or any of u clowns to say that he was a GOAT or that no one today stood a chance to beat him, u don't know the sport.
    Take it easy mate, this is boxing every opponent has a chance especially a puncher like Benn which would have been very interesting. Jones never did travel abroad but he would say he did not have to as he was the Man.
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    Jones never did travel abroad but he would say he did not have to as he was the Man.
    For sure, and people have to remember that Roy had a very good reason to not want to travel abroad because his fight vs Park Si Hung was the biggest robbery in the history of boxing.

    The goal every boxer should have is to be the best. Roy attained that goal, he was the undisputed #1 p4p in the world and for 15 years was untouchable. He had the power and he didn't need any of those guys. Those guys should have been itching to fight him, but they weren't. They were happy staying away from him and making their big paydays in their own countries against much lesser opposition.

    The only way they would fight Roy is for these stipulations, and that to me says they had absolutely no confidence in beating him and needed some kind of edge. Don't hate Roy for that. Fact is, he did some unbelievable things to some really sick opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeeod View Post
    Did ANYONE think Douglas would beat Tyson? How many people thought Benn would beat G-Man? That argument makes no sense. Should Roy had been favored? Yes. Was it a sure win? No way. Roy didn't miss one or two guys, he missed all of his top challengers at any weight that he was in. The guy had amazing gifts, but he beat few quality guys, n only one guy ranked P4P. This isn't to say that Roy wasn't great n was a bum, but for huggers like zhubin or any of u clowns to say that he was a GOAT or that no one today stood a chance to beat him, u don't know the sport.
    When did i ever say he was GOAT? Where in any of my posts did i say that? The original subject of this thread was how he would fare against today's guys. You are a moron. Give it a rest........buddy.

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    Default Re: Roy Jones would have beat all these idiots

    How would Roy do against:

    Spinks
    Foster
    Qawi
    Moorer

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    Quote Originally Posted by VG_Addict View Post
    How would Roy do against:

    Spinks
    Foster
    Qawi
    Moorer
    He would have dominated all of them.

    It's easy to look at Roy Jones over the last 10 years while he was washed up and getting his brains rattled and say "oh yeah, a big puncher like Moorer or Foster would have his number, they'd put his lights out." Child, please. Go back and watch vintage Roy and watch vintage Foster and Moorer, and you tell me they'd land on Roy.

    Roy's defense was insane. His footwork was crazy, he kept guys at range like a pro, and even on the inside guys could hardly crack his Winky Wright-style defensive shell.

    And not only that, his offensive was a great part of his defense because he had serious power.

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    How on earth do you see Jones dominating Spinks i think he barely wins a decision or Spinks knocks him the fuck out pretty much. Spinks had the reach power and chin and also through punchs in every fucking direction and was a very awkward style to fight against period.

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    Pea was way better. The guy cleaned out lightweight. Completely cleaned it out (getting ripped off by Ramirez in the process). He beat a prime Azuma Nelson as part of that dominant run. Again, completely cleaned it out, not one perceived challenger. He then went up to 140 and shut out Rafael Pineda over 12 rounds to pick up a title in the hopes of unifying with Chavez. When Chavez refused he then went up and took on P4P ranked McGirt, picking up the title and enticing Chavez, the #1 P4P to come up and face him. He beat Chavez but was ripped off and handed a draw. Since McGirt said he wasn't 100% Pea have him a rematch and thoroughly dominated him. Pea continued to dominate at 147, despite being small for the weight and battling addiction. He moved up to 154 and defeated the tough Julio Ceasar Vasquez, who was the #2 guy behind Norris. Pea went back down to 147 and continue to decline until he lost a disputed decision to Oscar, who was much larger, younger, in his prime, and ranked P4P at the time. He fought much tougher competition, actively chased the toughest opponents, and cleaned out two divisions he fought in.

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    Beanflicker, name the sick opposition. Or maybe that was a typo and u meant to write suck opposition, because that would make more sense. So basically the argument is that Despite being the P4P guy and biggest payday around that weight at the time, and numerous guys calling him out, it's EVERYONE ELSE's fault that the big fights weren't made?!? That is a joke. So Oscar was able to fight every big name around him, but poor Roy had circumstances against him. What a joke. Look, the great ones go out of their way to make the fights happen. You guys seem to be new to the sport, so google Roycott. It will inform you as to how bad his quality of competition was.

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