The emotion of the fan

[beenKOed]

Yes

Because, and I'm splitting hairs here, when you load your gloves you are showing a total disregard for your opponents well being. You don't care if he winds up ruined physically as a fighter or even dead.

When you use PEDS, you are looking for an advantage mostly in training because of age, laziness or a lack of desire. You are not deliberately setting out to physically damage your opponent, you are just desperate to win.
Like I said, I'm splitting hairs but that's my opinion.

[Beanflicker]

I think so. Margarito was, to my recollection, a very loved and respected figure in boxing pre-Mosley.

People were sympathetic to him because he had been avoided for years and was finally getting the big fights. People loved his aggressive, exciting style and the fact that he embodied the hard working, blue collar athlete. I don't remember anyone openly hating Margarito, seemed like he got nothing but love until it turned out he was a cheesy cheater.

I think the same would have happened with Holyfield. I think a lot of people kind of secretly disliked him for whipping Tyson, and if it came out that he was loading his gloves people would have discounted his big wins and hated him just as bad as they hated Margarito.

That's a very serious offense, I think a lot of people felt cheated by what Marg did, even more so than if he was found to be using PEDs.

I think loading gloves is an even worse offense than PEDs.

[erics44]

I think so. Margarito was, to my recollection, a very loved and respected figure in boxing pre-Mosley.

People were sympathetic to him because he had been avoided for years and was finally getting the big fights. People loved his aggressive, exciting style and the fact that he embodied the hard working, blue collar athlete. I don't remember anyone openly hating Margarito, seemed like he got nothing but love until it turned out he was a cheesy cheater.

I think the same would have happened with Holyfield. I think a lot of people kind of secretly disliked him for whipping Tyson, and if it came out that he was loading his gloves people would have discounted his big wins and hated him just as bad as they hated Margarito.

That's a very serious offense, I think a lot of people felt cheated by what Marg did, even more so than if he was found to be using PEDs.

I think loading gloves is an even worse offense than PEDs.

the bit in bold is an opinion that i can understand

there are so many factors involved in making a statement like youre last sentence it just cant be a valid opinion

unless you know all of the facts about peds and the advantages it gives you, the type and volumes of peds that we are talking about, and the way in which they are used - and you also know the severity of the loaded gloves and the volume of use then you just couldnt jump to a conclusion like that

[Beanflicker]

there are so many factors involved in making a statement like youre last sentence it just cant be a valid opinion

unless you know all of the facts about peds and the advantages it gives you, the type and volumes of peds that we are talking about, and the way in which they are used - and you also know the severity of the loaded gloves and the volume of use then you just couldnt jump to a conclusion like that

What do you mean, it can't be a valid opinion?

I never made any claims as to which one is more dangerous, ect. But in my mind, there is a clear distinction between taking an illegal substance to improve how your body functions and bringing a weapon into the ring with you. If people want to disagree, that's fine. They are both forms of cheating and both are absolutely unforgivable, but I view loaded gloves in a worse light. If you don't, fair enough.

[Beanflicker]

On a side note, I'm willing to bet I know more about PEDs (types, effects, usage, history, ect) than PROBABLY anybody here.

There are a few guys here who seem to know what they're talking about, but most people here sound ignorant whenever PEDs are brought up.

[erics44]

Yes

Because, and I'm splitting hairs here, when you load your gloves you are showing a total disregard for your opponents well being. You don't care if he winds up ruined physically as a fighter or even dead.

When you use PEDS, you are looking for an advantage mostly in training because of age, laziness or a lack of desire. You are not deliberately setting out to physically damage your opponent, you are just desperate to win.
Like I said, I'm splitting hairs but that's my opinion.

with all due respect man the bit in bold just isnt true

and the bit about not setting out to physically damage your opponent and being desperate to win is a bit of a funny thing to say when you are talking about boxing, i dont realy know where to start with it