The emotion of the fan

[IamInuit]

the magarito loaded gloves thing cropped up again in a thread recently and it got me thinking

for the record i dont want this thread to turn into a discussion about the gloves and the severity of it and all that, although i know its probably inevitable

but do you think Hollyfield would be as hated a Margo clearly is by the general fan if he had been in the same situation as margo was with the gloves? and do you think the general assumption would be that hollyfield knew what was happening and that that wasnt the first time he had done it

the poll is only a yes/no answer

yes - Hollyfield would be as hated as Margo is and he would have known about the plaster and he would have done it in previous fights
No - Hollyfield would not be hated as much as Margo and he might not have known about the plaster and he may not have done it in previous fights

If Holyfield screwed with his gloves and was caught, he would have faced the exact same ridicule as Margarito and Resto and ftr that infraction is both colour blind and nationality blind. Its like predetermining ones own crucifixion.

@Beanflicker has a point though because specific steroids amount to the same thing at least philosophically. Suppose for the sake of argument that Mancini tested positive after the Kim fight?
He may very well have been charged with criminal negligence causing death or reckless endangerment causing death.

Still, there is something about the gloves which separates it from just about any other infraction and it fundamentally has everything to do with pugilism itself and not a law written outside of it.


Having said that it disturbs me today on the amount of glove shaving that is allowed in certain regions. There are times when you cant even see the glove decal. It probably had something to do with that young Mexicans death a couple of weeks back.

Glove infractions stand out because its something that ought to be easily controlled. "Juice" cannot be controlled as designer drugs are being cooked up on a daily basis and lots of them undetectable and especially with advertised testing and scheduled blood letting.

a flawed opinion to suggest that this makes it different than peds

you take steroids you punch harder

and to say loaded gloves are worse than peds is one massively sweeping statement

its like saying all gingers pull lots of birds, i know some of us do, but its a lot to do with personality as well as looks, and personality varies so much

There are two trains of thought. It comes down to a question of control. We can assume I suppose that all fighters or at least a majority are all using peds. That changes the dynamic just as the fundamental purpose of the sport does in relationship to gloves. Nobody period should be able to get away with junk gloves in this day and age. It can be and should be witnessed by all from the wrap to the fit and to the ring. The same can not be said about ped use. It could very well be an even playing field in that regard.

[erics44]

the magarito loaded gloves thing cropped up again in a thread recently and it got me thinking

for the record i dont want this thread to turn into a discussion about the gloves and the severity of it and all that, although i know its probably inevitable

but do you think Hollyfield would be as hated a Margo clearly is by the general fan if he had been in the same situation as margo was with the gloves? and do you think the general assumption would be that hollyfield knew what was happening and that that wasnt the first time he had done it

the poll is only a yes/no answer

yes - Hollyfield would be as hated as Margo is and he would have known about the plaster and he would have done it in previous fights
No - Hollyfield would not be hated as much as Margo and he might not have known about the plaster and he may not have done it in previous fights

If Holyfield screwed with his gloves and was caught, he would have faced the exact same ridicule as Margarito and Resto and ftr that infraction is both colour blind and nationality blind. Its like predetermining ones own crucifixion.

@Beanflicker has a point though because specific steroids amount to the same thing at least philosophically. Suppose for the sake of argument that Mancini tested positive after the Kim fight?
He may very well have been charged with criminal negligence causing death or reckless endangerment causing death.

Still, there is something about the gloves which separates it from just about any other infraction and it fundamentally has everything to do with pugilism itself and not a law written outside of it.


Having said that it disturbs me today on the amount of glove shaving that is allowed in certain regions. There are times when you cant even see the glove decal. It probably had something to do with that young Mexicans death a couple of weeks back.

Glove infractions stand out because its something that ought to be easily controlled. "Juice" cannot be controlled as designer drugs are being cooked up on a daily basis and lots of them undetectable and especially with advertised testing and scheduled blood letting.

a flawed opinion to suggest that this makes it different than peds

you take steroids you punch harder

and to say loaded gloves are worse than peds is one massively sweeping statement

its like saying all gingers pull lots of birds, i know some of us do, but its a lot to do with personality as well as looks, and personality varies so much

There are two trains of thought. It comes down to a question of control. We can assume I suppose that all fighters or at least a majority are all using peds. That changes the dynamic just as the fundamental purpose of the sport does in relationship to gloves. Nobody period should be able to get away with junk gloves in this day and age. It can be and should be witnessed by all from the wrap to the fit and to the ring. The same can not be said about ped use. It could very well be an even playing field in that regard.

well if your opinion is that peds are acceptable because it is the norm then any kind of glove loading, even the least amount, is worse than any kind of peds using, even the most severe

there for, if that were your opinion, then yes in 100% of cases loaded gloves are worse than peds