Does Floyd have more to lose than any other figher in history if he loses a fight?

[Sleepwalker]

I can't think of another fighter with so much to lose due to a single loss. Ali, Hagler, Holmes, Leonard, Robinson,.......Even if Floyd avenged his loss, it wouldn't make that much of a difference because his antagonists have already gotten there satisfaction and his legacy had already been tarnished.

[DannyV297]

I can't think of another fighter with so much to lose due to a single loss. Ali, Hagler, Holmes, Leonard, Robinson,.......Even if Floyd avenged his loss, it wouldn't make that much of a difference because his antagonists have already gotten there satisfaction and his legacy had already been tarnished.

His entire image is built on invincibility so yes.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Yes but it also depends on how he loses and to whom.

Floyd's superstardom was built on his undefeated record and without that, he wouldn't have been the cashcow that he is today.

People aren't thrilled by his style and there is no way that he wouldve been this huge without that zero.

His squeaky clean record is his angle.

[fan johnny]

What he has at risk is "potential" earnings. Who else in history has been in the same position?

Oscar? Tyson? Holyfield? Pacquiao?

Oscar just got old but lost his potential inside the ring.
Tyson arguably lost his potential both outside the ring and inside the ring.
Holyfield also got old and lost it inside the ring.
Pacquiao?

I'd say yes.

[DannyV297]

Would you guys say that Roy Jones was in this same category before he ultimately lost? I mean, he had that invincible factor working for him.

[Max Power]

Well yeah, in this day and age a single loss is seen as bummifying by comparison and it would hamper Floyd's marketability significantly more than any other fighter now or before because of his attitude problem and his stigma being based around his "0" or pll wanting to see it lost.

As for economically, it would barely make any difference whatsoever to Floyd, he is so rich anyway!

[Beanflicker]

Yes, because people HATE Floyd and the second he loses, people will say "SEE, he was only undefeated all these years because he ducked everyone good, when he finally fought someone tough he lost!! SEE!!!"

To me, Floyd is one of the top 3 greatest of all time who ever got in the ring. People discredit him and say he ducked the hardest fights, which is nonsense.

But ok, assume that's true: Floyd always had one or two guys he avoided because he thought they could beat him.

Floyd has been a world champion since 1998, when he beat Genaro Hernandez. That's 16 years, 16 FUCKING YEARS, of fighting nothing but championship fights against other champions or top 10 ranked contenders, without a loss.

That kind of consistency over time is unheard of in any sport. Hopkins has had great longevity, but he's dropped numerous fights along the way.

To always come in in top shape, never underestimate a guy, and get shit done for 16 years against champions and top 10 opposition without so much as ONE slip up is, in itself, remarkable.

[bradlee180]

His squeaky clean record is his angle.

Yep, Americans with their obsessive focus on being #1, and nothing else matters except #1.

To the mainstream masses, yeah, a single loss would destroy the illusion he created, but the masses don't know he ducked every top prime guy for 8 years (Ricky Hatton excluded, Hatton was the sole top prime guy Floyd fought during those 8 years, and Floyd had help in there from ref joe cortez.)

His record is NOT squeaky clean, he should have 2 losses on it.
1. Every real Boxing fan KNOWS Castillo whupped him that time in 2002 and got robbed.

2. The real fans also know that in the Judah fight, there should have been an automatic DQ the instant Floyd's cornerman climbed into the ring during the rd and went after Judah. That was complete bull$#!t. Ref richard steele was about to take points from Judah for Judah's foul tactics, but crackhead roger's actions of storming the ring during the fight, that's an automatic DQ anyway you slice it! Steele broke the rules of Boxing there, and he was told by someone to keep that fight going after they cleared the ring of all the rioters.


A case could be made for a 3rd loss against Oscar De La Hoya instead of a split-decision. Crap-tastic fight because of Floyd's unwillingness to fight, but I think De La Hoya won that one on effective aggression. Not that it was very effective aggression, but Oscar was the only one doing a damn thing in there.

PLUS Floyd had all those losses as an amateur unlike Sugar Ray Robinson as an amateur.
It's why Floyd's a bronze medalist.

Real fans knows it's not a squeaky clean undefeated record at all, but the mainstream idiots don't their @$$hole from a hole-in-the-ground regarding Boxing.

[Beanflicker]

A case could be made for a 3rd loss against Oscar De La Hoya instead of a split-decision. Crap-tastic fight because of Floyd's unwillingness to fight, but I think De La Hoya won that one on effective aggression. Not that it was very effective aggression, but Oscar was the only one doing a damn thing in there.

PLUS Floyd had all those losses as an amateur unlike Sugar Ray Robinson as an amateur.
It's why Floyd's a bronze medalist.

Real fans knows it's not a squeaky clean undefeated record at all, but the mainstream idiots don't their @$$hole from a hole-in-the-ground regarding Boxing.

The Castillo fight for sure could have went to Castillo, but Oscar? Really? Anyone who thinks Oscar won that fight doesn't know boxing and has no business scoring a fight.

And who really cares about what someone did as an amateur? And if you want to talk robberies, Floyd got robbed in the olympics.

I'd love to hear your list of who Floyd ducked and when Floyd ducked them.

[Ron Swanson]

First Bradlee, hahahahahaha. Just no

Second, no. Floyds earning power would be crushed but he has a deal with Showtime that covers for that possibility. A few years ago the answer would be yes but not now that his career is guaranteed. Legacy wise, the guy was number 2 P4P in 1999, 15 years later he is number 1. If you think a guy can have that kind of longevity on top of the sport and one fight will determine his legacy, well I don't even know where to begin breaking down how wrong you are.

[DannyV297]

I ask this question all the time. Why is the mayweather-Judah fight never in question when Floyd's career is concerned? Zab controlled rounds, landed hard punches and was in there better than anyone else who has ever fought mayweather. He did have the fouls, but here is the largest question I have about that fight, Why was Floyd not DQ'ed when roger mayweather came into the ring ? Isn't that a DQ? I'm a Judah fan so maybe that's why I look at this differently but it gets hardly any attention and I have no idea why.

[bradlee180]

It is an automatic DQ, the rules were broken there in Mayweather's favor.

Not DQing Floyd in the 2006 Judah match didn't make much sense, Floyd wasn't the big Draw yet. If this World Champ wasn't drawing money, which he wasn't, then why were promoters willing to bend the rules for him like that?

The year before in 2005, Floyd had boxed Gatti, but Gatti was the real Draw there, even if he was past-his-prime.

A Champ since 1998, Floyd wasn't drawing much for like 7 years till he started boxing huge Draws like Gatti, Hatton, and De La Hoya.

Floyd wasn't a proven Draw on his own name till 2009 against Marquez.

[Beanflicker]

You guys may have a point there, I don't know why he wasn't DQed. But to be fair, would anyone really have given Floyd crap about a DQ loss? No one really cares about Roy/Montell Griffin 1, because Roy lost by knocking out while he was on his knees then he knocked him out again in the rematch.

I'm still interested in know who exactly Floyd ducked for 16 years? And when?

[beenKOed]

I ask this question all the time. Why is the mayweather-Judah fight never in question when Floyd's career is concerned? Zab controlled rounds, landed hard punches and was in there better than anyone else who has ever fought mayweather. He did have the fouls, but here is the largest question I have about that fight, Why wasn't Floyd DQ'ed when rogermayweather came into the ring ? Isn't that a DQ? I'm a Judah fan so maybe that's why I look at this differently but it gets hardly any attention and I have no idea why.

Jab Judah is one of the worst losers I've seen. When things don't go his way in a fight he falls apart.
Why wasn't Floyd DQed. HE was fouled. Floyd's uncle jumped in the ring. Floyd didn't do anything wrong except make Judah look bad. Judah was doing everything he could to get the fight stopped, a pretty damned cowardly display, in my opinion and you want to DQ Floyd. I'm not even a big Floyd fan, but that never entered my mind.

[Master]

Boxing does not revolve around Floyd.

Tyson lost more financially.
Joe Louis would have lost more politically.
Black people lost more when Jack Johnson won.