Subpar Foe Doesn't Mean Klitschko's Not An All-Timer

[Mr140]

Not many big men are like the Brothers for there size they are way fast and can really box when they feel like it only Bowie and Lewis were like them. I am pretty sure there won't be a reigning champ but the talent pool right now is not a good one really and the eastern Europeans are kinda kings of hws now.

[erics44]

Not many big men are like the Brothers for there size they are way fast and can really box when they feel like it only Bowie and Lewis were like them. I am pretty sure there won't be a reigning champ but the talent pool right now is not a good one really and the eastern Europeans are kinda kings of hws now.

thats an opinion, mine is much more positive on the state of the division without wlad

like ive said a number of times i think wlad would have been beaten off at least one of his opponents over the last several years if he was made to fight within the rules

but lets say wlads cheating isnt cheating, lets say holding is in the rules, id rather have 5 years of less tallent and more excitement, id like to enjoy a HW title fight again

mind you the main reason i dont enjoy them is because wlad is allowed to cheat so much, if he wasnt his fights would undoubtably more exciting

[Max Power]

Forget the Povetkin fight for a minute, we know that was the worst right.

Compare it to Sam Peter fight, there are more and more dirtier clinches in the Frazier fight than there were in Wlad's first fight with Peter.

What is it about Wlad that constitutes cheating to you? I'm confused now.

The whole holding thing got massively exaggerated after Povetkin as if he ONLY won that way.

Yet BEFORE that fight he was accused of it only mildly and more criticised for his endless jabbing.

[erics44]

Forget the Povetkin fight for a minute, we know that was the worst right.

Compare it to Sam Peter fight, there are more and more dirtier clinches in the Frazier fight than there were in Wlad's first fight with Peter.

What is it about Wlad that constitutes cheating to you? I'm confused now.

The whole holding thing got massively exaggerated after Povetkin as if he ONLY won that way.

Yet BEFORE that fight he was accused of it only mildly and more criticised for his endless jabbing.

nope there definately wasnt

and i was of the opinion that wlad hurrendously excessively cheated by holding long before the provetkin fight, the provetkin fight was just funny

it amazes me that people actually defend it

it would be one thing if he adopted an exciting method of cheating, id accept people defending it because they enjoyed watching it

[Max Power]

Well I don't condone the Povetkin fights holding, that was a bit much for me. I will defend him in the light of Muhammad Ali and John Ruiz employing similar or in my opinion worse tactics to win regularly.

As I said once before, Wladimir only clinches those short ass opponents who rush at him. If they tried to BOX Wlad they would get their face punched in. Wlad's optimal place to have his opponent, where he wants them, is at the end of his jab and later his right.

Foreman pushed his opponents off him to get them there. Wladimir grabs them and then seperates. I don't think that's cheating. I think it's a legal clinch. You cannot eliminate it from boxing, you must learn to clinch to survive.

[erics44]

Well I don't condone the Povetkin fights holding, that was a bit much for me. I will defend him in the light of Muhammad Ali and John Ruiz employing similar or in my opinion worse tactics to win regularly.

As I said once before, Wladimir only clinches those short ass opponents who rush at him. If they tried to BOX Wlad they would get their face punched in. Wlad's optimal place to have his opponent, where he wants them, is at the end of his jab and later his right.

Foreman pushed his opponents off him to get them there. Wladimir grabs them and then seperates. I don't think that's cheating. I think it's a legal clinch. You cannot eliminate it from boxing, you must learn to clinch to survive.

look mate we are on opposite polls when it comes to opinion on this, i cant see how anyone could put what wlad does in anywhere near the same bracket as ali, forman, ruiz

you asked me to watch ali v frazier, i did and the two are so far apart, they resemble different sports

if an alien came down from mars and you explained boxing to him, gave him the rule book then showed him a wlad fight and you said "would you say that this is boxing?" i reckon the little green fellow would say nah

[Max Power]

Fair enough, your entitled to that opinion too eric (y).

I don't see it that way but fair enough.