Fights Arum is offering Pac for extension

[Ron Swanson]

5 replies and no comment on any of the fights. That says it all. Quit the retreads, the mismatches and mentioning fights that we know won't happen. Fans want

Pac-Floyd
Pac-Alvarez
Pac-Thurman
Pac-Porter
Pac-Garcia
Pac-Matthysse
Pac-Cotto can be made w/o Bob
Pac-Martinez can be made w/o Bob
Pac-Prov can be made w/o Bob

[Rantcatrat]

With this whole Schaeffer-De La Hoya feud coupled with Haymon's recent power play in boxing, it struck me, why do boxers needs to sign with promoters at all? If an adviser gets the boxer fights with the networks, and the money is coming mostly from the networks, what value does the promoter add?

I have no skin in the game. Arum, Haymon and Schaeffer seem like snakes.

[Ron Swanson]

With this whole Schaeffer-De La Hoya feud coupled with Haymon's recent power play in boxing, it struck me, why do boxers needs to sign with promoters at all? If an adviser gets the boxer fights with the networks, and the money is coming mostly from the networks, what value does the promoter add?

I have no skin in the game. Arum, Haymon and Schaeffer seem like snakes.

That's exactly right. They are snakes, all of them. And they are useless if you're established. He could fight under MP Promotions and fight anyone without hangups of fake "wars" that are simply rich men with too much control trying for more control. Under MP Productions he wouldn't lose over 27% off the top and if he fights a GBP fighter or a TR fighter they will control the promotions. They like that because it pushes their brand, Manny wins financially, and fans win because this war nonsense doesn't stand in the way of fights.

[Beanflicker]

Yeah but MP Promotions is just a company title, not a true promotional company. It takes a lot of capital, know-how and man-power to pull off a show on the scale of a Mayweather or Pacquaio PPV extravaganza. If it was easy, every fighter with a name would be doing it.

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah but MP Promotions is just a company title, not a true promotional company. It takes a lot of capital, know-how and man-power to pull off a show on the scale of a Mayweather or Pacquaio PPV extravaganza. If it was easy, every fighter with a name would be doing it.

1st)MP Productions does cards, small cards so it's not paper it's just small time.

2)I'm not saying he should do the actual promotion. When he signs to fight a GBP fighter they can take the lead, when he signs to fight a TR fighter they can do the promotion. Both sides want the event to be a success so they will gladly promote it. You just don't pay them. Like Floyd does with GBP. GBP gets to put on huge cards that promote their company and Floyd fights under his small scale promotion name so he doesn't have to pay. Manny could get that same free promotion because it's worth it for the big promoters for relevance.

[jahmez]

Yeah but MP Promotions is just a company title, not a true promotional company. It takes a lot of capital, know-how and man-power to pull off a show on the scale of a Mayweather or Pacquaio PPV extravaganza. If it was easy, every fighter with a name would be doing it.

1st)MP Productions does cards, small cards so it's not paper it's just small time.

2)I'm not saying he should do the actual promotion. When he signs to fight a GBP fighter they can take the lead, when he signs to fight a TR fighter they can do the promotion. Both sides want the event to be a success so they will gladly promote it. You just don't pay them. Like Floyd does with GBP. GBP gets to put on huge cards that promote their company and Floyd fights under his small scale promotion name so he doesn't have to pay. Manny could get that same free promotion because it's worth it for the big promoters for relevance.

So if GBP and TR were to potentially spend millions to promote a MPP event they would be doing so without earning revenue from any source whatsoever that MPP couldn't otherwise get their hands on? Doesn't seem to add up mate .

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah but MP Promotions is just a company title, not a true promotional company. It takes a lot of capital, know-how and man-power to pull off a show on the scale of a Mayweather or Pacquaio PPV extravaganza. If it was easy, every fighter with a name would be doing it.

1st)MP Productions does cards, small cards so it's not paper it's just small time.

2)I'm not saying he should do the actual promotion. When he signs to fight a GBP fighter they can take the lead, when he signs to fight a TR fighter they can do the promotion. Both sides want the event to be a success so they will gladly promote it. You just don't pay them. Like Floyd does with GBP. GBP gets to put on huge cards that promote their company and Floyd fights under his small scale promotion name so he doesn't have to pay. Manny could get that same free promotion because it's worth it for the big promoters for relevance.

So if GBP and TR were to potentially spend millions to promote a MPP event they would be doing so without earning revenue from any source whatsoever that MPP couldn't otherwise get their hands on? Doesn't seem to add up mate .

They collect on the B side and rake on crosss promotions. There are near 100 different revenue streams to go into a major event. Their percentage of a fighters take is generally tiny compared to those other revenue streams. People have no clue how much a big fight really makes, it's staggering.

[jahmez]

= opportunity cost

[jahmez]

With this whole Schaeffer-De La Hoya feud coupled with Haymon's recent power play in boxing, it struck me, why do boxers needs to sign with promoters at all? If an adviser gets the boxer fights with the networks, and the money is coming mostly from the networks, what value does the promoter add?

I have no skin in the game. Arum, Haymon and Schaeffer seem like snakes.

If a boxer sees an advisor he'll advise him to set up a company to channel revenue earned from the networks and whatnot and to provide a level of limited liability and tax benefits. He will advise him to seek an accountant who will not only form the entity but be responsible for the relevant taxation and compliance issues. When contracts are drawn he'll advise him to be represented by a lawyer who will pursue his best interests. When he's in training and the media circus comes to town he'll advise him to hire a capable PR team so that he may be able to properly focus on his actual job. Blah blah blah. Adviser, promoter same fucking thing really as I can't see either not wanting to recommend their own associates. I don't really know shit about the boxing industry from a business point of view but I assume that most promotional companies came about as a one shop option marketed towards boxers naturally chasing the big fights. Fuck them off and you will just come back full circle, although they most probably would be packaged as "Combat Athlete Business Agents" or some pretentious shit.

[Master]

If Pac signs with Bob long term he is effectively avoiding Floyd. He should do what Cotto did and be a free agent and fight who ever offers the best deals which will be GBP.