Do you agree with Buncies assessement, Floyd lacking a Frazer/Duran to be TBE?

[Master]

TBE is a rubbish phrase.. TBE my ass..

When we talk about ATG fighters such as Duran, Leonard, and Ali, we can't think of any superfights that they missed out on..especially when the timing was perfect, available and ready..

Floyd blatantly ducked two people in Margarito and Pacquiao. He can be forgiven for Margarito whatever but the fact that he refused to face the best fighter of his generation is a fuckin travesty.

Floyd is all business.. fuck his legacy

I think he avoided Cotto at 140lb too.

[MIKAY]

To be fair to him the Alvarez fight was a mega fight, and Alvarez was huge and talented.

[Max Power]

To be fair to him the Alvarez fight was a mega fight, and Alvarez was huge and talented.

Agree. Alvarez is Mayweather's best win imo!!

[ross]

For fuck sakes people saying he avoided Pacquiao.

There is enough anecdotal evidence in videos with interviews from people like Alex Ariza who was actually training Pacquiao to say that Pacquiao wanted no part of the fight.

Then you have the questions about the contract, including if Manny tests positive can it be kept secret! Roach questioning what Manny was being given in milk shakes.

Pacquiao is a sham! However... I do agree that like Lennox Lewis felt he had to have a win over Tyson, no matter hw far gone he was that Floyd needs Pacquiaos name on his record.

Pacquiaos tax debts also need the fight so he can try to break even.

Floyd could then turn to middle weight. He's moved up and fought and beaten the biggest names at light middle twice. His last one was one of his easiest wins. Sergio Martinez is very beatable for Floyd and on fight night hes the same weight as Maidana! Smaller than Alvarez! So no huge weight advantage but THE man at middle.

Personally I would have no interest in watching Maidana again. He pushed Floyd back but caught him clean with barely fuck all. There was zero chance of Floyd getting hurt. Maybe to the back of the head but we need to see Floyd with someone skiled. Kahn would hold and spoil and it would be ugly.

[ono]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

[Max Power]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He DOES have a nemesis, it's been Manny Pacquiao, and 99.9% of anybody boxing knows it. It's always been Pacquiao!

@ross Of course he bloody ducked Floyd, I have heard it all and it's all nonsense, everybody wants the fight except Floyd. Manny ASKED him for the bloody fight. Even the great Muhammad Ali has just gone on record urging him to take the fight.

Floyd has been Manny's goal from day dot!

After what we just witnessed how can you even write off Manny now!?

Bowe and Floyd are biggest quackers in history. The pure definition of the word "duck".

I'm not saying he ducked every fighter, I don't believe any of that, but he shamefully did Pac.

[ross]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He DOES have a nemesis, it's been Manny Pacquiao, and 99.9% of anybody boxing knows it. It's always been Pacquiao!

@ross Of course he bloody ducked Floyd, I have heard it all and it's all nonsense, everybody wants the fight except Floyd. Manny ASKED him for the bloody fight. Even the great Muhammad Ali has just gone on record urging him to take the fight.

Floyd has been Manny's goal from day dot!

After what we just witnessed how can you even write off Manny now!?

Bowe and Floyd are biggest quackers in history. The pure definition of the word "duck".

I'm not saying he ducked every fighter, I don't believe any of that, but he shamefully did Pac.

Exactly...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-tZVLj1-AU

[Beanflicker]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He DOES have a nemesis, it's been Manny Pacquiao, and 99.9% of anybody boxing knows it. It's always been Pacquiao!

@ross Of course he bloody ducked Floyd, I have heard it all and it's all nonsense, everybody wants the fight except Floyd. Manny ASKED him for the bloody fight. Even the great Muhammad Ali has just gone on record urging him to take the fight.

Floyd has been Manny's goal from day dot!

After what we just witnessed how can you even write off Manny now!?

Bowe and Floyd are biggest quackers in history. The pure definition of the word "duck".

I'm not saying he ducked every fighter, I don't believe any of that, but he shamefully did Pac.

Yeah, he shamefully ducked Pac by offering him 40 million to fight him. Then when Pac declined that huge amount of money without even giving a counter offer, Floyd wanted to avoid Pac SO BADLY that he agreed to a 50/50 split, but proposed that they both go through Olympic style drug testing to ensure that they weren't steroid cheats. When Pac turned this down, Floyd wanted to avoid Pac SO BADLY that he kept trying to negotiate a fair cut-off date for the drug testing that would ensure Pac wasn't cheating, but would also give Pac a sufficient amount of time to "recover" from a blood test (lol).

Yeah, Mayweather shamelessly ducked Pacquaio.

[ono]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He DOES have a nemesis, it's been Manny Pacquiao, and 99.9% of anybody boxing knows it. It's always been Pacquiao!

@ross Of course he bloody ducked Floyd, I have heard it all and it's all nonsense, everybody wants the fight except Floyd. Manny ASKED him for the bloody fight. Even the great Muhammad Ali has just gone on record urging him to take the fight.

Floyd has been Manny's goal from day dot!

After what we just witnessed how can you even write off Manny now!?

Bowe and Floyd are biggest quackers in history. The pure definition of the word "duck".

I'm not saying he ducked every fighter, I don't believe any of that, but he shamefully did Pac.

You could make just as strong of an argument to say it was the other way round. There will always be fighters who other fighters don't fight. I remember when Margarito was in Pacquiao's position a few years back and apparently Floyd was ducking him. Sometimes, fights just don't get made. A win over Pacquiao doesn't make or break Mayweather.

[beenKOed]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He wasn't comfortable fighting Maidana.
Not looking for an argument, just trying to keep it real.

[ono]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He wasn't comfortable fighting Maidana.
Not looking for an argument, just trying to keep it real.

He was comfortable boxing Maidana within the rules. He wasn't comfortable with being UFC'd to death. There was an outcry on here when Hatton showed about 10% of the dirtiness shown by Maidana against Mayweather.

[FinitoElDinamita]

TBE is a rubbish phrase.. TBE my ass..

When we talk about ATG fighters such as Duran, Leonard, and Ali, we can't think of any superfights that they missed out on..especially when the timing was perfect, available and ready..

Floyd blatantly ducked two people in Margarito and Pacquiao. He can be forgiven for Margarito whatever but the fact that he refused to face the best fighter of his generation is a fuckin travesty.

Floyd is all business.. fuck his legacy

I think he avoided Cotto at 140lb too.

You know what bro, I got to disagree with that one.. Floyd called him out a couple times around 05-06 and Kneeguel and co declined claiming that they weren't ready..

Mikay, Floyd-Alvarez was not a " Mega fight ".. It was a big event based on the popularity of the fighters but in reality that was not some mega fight..

[boyla]

ducking is the word

[Master]

TBE is a rubbish phrase.. TBE my ass..

When we talk about ATG fighters such as Duran, Leonard, and Ali, we can't think of any superfights that they missed out on..especially when the timing was perfect, available and ready..

Floyd blatantly ducked two people in Margarito and Pacquiao. He can be forgiven for Margarito whatever but the fact that he refused to face the best fighter of his generation is a fuckin travesty.

Floyd is all business.. fuck his legacy

I think he avoided Cotto at 140lb too.

You know what bro, I got to disagree with that one.. Floyd called him out a couple times around 05-06 and Kneeguel and co declined claiming that they weren't ready..

Mikay, Floyd-Alvarez was not a " Mega fight ".. It was a big event based on the popularity of the fighters but in reality that was not some mega fight..

Did not realise that Cotto turned it down, thought Floyd went for the easier option of Getting than Cotto or Tszyu.

Floyd beating Canelo was quality.

[bradlee180]

Nope, because the top prime competition was there all along, and the dude just wouldn't fight them at their best.

There could've been many Great match-ups.

Damn straight, since 2002 through 2011 when Mayweather finally decided to start fighting some top young guys. In those 9 years, Ricky Hatton was the sole top prime guy that Mayweather fought.

Paul Spadafora
Paul Williams
Kostya Tszyu
Antonio Margarito
Manny Pacquiao
Shane Mosely before he was a shot fighter.
Miguel Cotto before he was on the slide.

Hell, when Floyd was at 130 lbs, 4 lbs less at 126 lbs was:
Erik Morales
Prince Naseem Hamed
Marco Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez


It's good that Mayweather has recently been fighting top young prime fighters like Guerrerro, Saul Alvarez, Ortiz, Maidana... but outstanding competition was there all along for 9 years previous, and he wouldn't have any of them except for Hatton.