Do you agree with Buncies assessement, Floyd lacking a Frazer/Duran to be TBE?

[Max Power]

To be fair to him the Alvarez fight was a mega fight, and Alvarez was huge and talented.

Agree. Alvarez is Mayweather's best win imo!!

[ross]

For fuck sakes people saying he avoided Pacquiao.

There is enough anecdotal evidence in videos with interviews from people like Alex Ariza who was actually training Pacquiao to say that Pacquiao wanted no part of the fight.

Then you have the questions about the contract, including if Manny tests positive can it be kept secret! Roach questioning what Manny was being given in milk shakes.

Pacquiao is a sham! However... I do agree that like Lennox Lewis felt he had to have a win over Tyson, no matter hw far gone he was that Floyd needs Pacquiaos name on his record.

Pacquiaos tax debts also need the fight so he can try to break even.

Floyd could then turn to middle weight. He's moved up and fought and beaten the biggest names at light middle twice. His last one was one of his easiest wins. Sergio Martinez is very beatable for Floyd and on fight night hes the same weight as Maidana! Smaller than Alvarez! So no huge weight advantage but THE man at middle.

Personally I would have no interest in watching Maidana again. He pushed Floyd back but caught him clean with barely fuck all. There was zero chance of Floyd getting hurt. Maybe to the back of the head but we need to see Floyd with someone skiled. Kahn would hold and spoil and it would be ugly.

[ono]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

[Max Power]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He DOES have a nemesis, it's been Manny Pacquiao, and 99.9% of anybody boxing knows it. It's always been Pacquiao!

@ross Of course he bloody ducked Floyd, I have heard it all and it's all nonsense, everybody wants the fight except Floyd. Manny ASKED him for the bloody fight. Even the great Muhammad Ali has just gone on record urging him to take the fight.

Floyd has been Manny's goal from day dot!

After what we just witnessed how can you even write off Manny now!?

Bowe and Floyd are biggest quackers in history. The pure definition of the word "duck".

I'm not saying he ducked every fighter, I don't believe any of that, but he shamefully did Pac.

[ross]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He DOES have a nemesis, it's been Manny Pacquiao, and 99.9% of anybody boxing knows it. It's always been Pacquiao!

@ross Of course he bloody ducked Floyd, I have heard it all and it's all nonsense, everybody wants the fight except Floyd. Manny ASKED him for the bloody fight. Even the great Muhammad Ali has just gone on record urging him to take the fight.

Floyd has been Manny's goal from day dot!

After what we just witnessed how can you even write off Manny now!?

Bowe and Floyd are biggest quackers in history. The pure definition of the word "duck".

I'm not saying he ducked every fighter, I don't believe any of that, but he shamefully did Pac.

Exactly...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-tZVLj1-AU

[Mr140]

Listen Mayweather offered pac the fight but he was going to do better testing for it. Pac wanted none of it or arum anyway because he would fail test he even asked if he did fail could it be a secret. Mayweather offered and pac said he did not like needles the fight was dead after that. Also i am not so sure Pac can take a punch like he used to after jmm i mean he has not fought a big puncher since. Mayweather no ko guy but i think he has enough to stop him if he connects enough which he will doesn't matter anyhow because arum does not let his fighters out of his stable to fight golden boy.

[Beanflicker]

Exactly...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-tZVLj1-AU

Right, but what would a guy who was, ya know, actually there know about it?

[Beanflicker]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He DOES have a nemesis, it's been Manny Pacquiao, and 99.9% of anybody boxing knows it. It's always been Pacquiao!

@ross Of course he bloody ducked Floyd, I have heard it all and it's all nonsense, everybody wants the fight except Floyd. Manny ASKED him for the bloody fight. Even the great Muhammad Ali has just gone on record urging him to take the fight.

Floyd has been Manny's goal from day dot!

After what we just witnessed how can you even write off Manny now!?

Bowe and Floyd are biggest quackers in history. The pure definition of the word "duck".

I'm not saying he ducked every fighter, I don't believe any of that, but he shamefully did Pac.

Yeah, he shamefully ducked Pac by offering him 40 million to fight him. Then when Pac declined that huge amount of money without even giving a counter offer, Floyd wanted to avoid Pac SO BADLY that he agreed to a 50/50 split, but proposed that they both go through Olympic style drug testing to ensure that they weren't steroid cheats. When Pac turned this down, Floyd wanted to avoid Pac SO BADLY that he kept trying to negotiate a fair cut-off date for the drug testing that would ensure Pac wasn't cheating, but would also give Pac a sufficient amount of time to "recover" from a blood test (lol).

Yeah, Mayweather shamelessly ducked Pacquaio.

[ono]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He DOES have a nemesis, it's been Manny Pacquiao, and 99.9% of anybody boxing knows it. It's always been Pacquiao!

@ross Of course he bloody ducked Floyd, I have heard it all and it's all nonsense, everybody wants the fight except Floyd. Manny ASKED him for the bloody fight. Even the great Muhammad Ali has just gone on record urging him to take the fight.

Floyd has been Manny's goal from day dot!

After what we just witnessed how can you even write off Manny now!?

Bowe and Floyd are biggest quackers in history. The pure definition of the word "duck".

I'm not saying he ducked every fighter, I don't believe any of that, but he shamefully did Pac.

You could make just as strong of an argument to say it was the other way round. There will always be fighters who other fighters don't fight. I remember when Margarito was in Pacquiao's position a few years back and apparently Floyd was ducking him. Sometimes, fights just don't get made. A win over Pacquiao doesn't make or break Mayweather.

[Max Power]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He DOES have a nemesis, it's been Manny Pacquiao, and 99.9% of anybody boxing knows it. It's always been Pacquiao!

@ross Of course he bloody ducked Floyd, I have heard it all and it's all nonsense, everybody wants the fight except Floyd. Manny ASKED him for the bloody fight. Even the great Muhammad Ali has just gone on record urging him to take the fight.

Floyd has been Manny's goal from day dot!

After what we just witnessed how can you even write off Manny now!?

Bowe and Floyd are biggest quackers in history. The pure definition of the word "duck".

I'm not saying he ducked every fighter, I don't believe any of that, but he shamefully did Pac.

You could make just as strong of an argument to say it was the other way round. There will always be fighters who other fighters don't fight. I remember when Margarito was in Pacquiao's position a few years back and apparently Floyd was ducking him. Sometimes, fights just don't get made. A win over Pacquiao doesn't make or break Mayweather.

Wrong.

A win over Pacquiao would completely cement his legacy.

Never fighting him cuts his legacy in half.

That's what most ppl see I believe.

[ono]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He DOES have a nemesis, it's been Manny Pacquiao, and 99.9% of anybody boxing knows it. It's always been Pacquiao!

@ross Of course he bloody ducked Floyd, I have heard it all and it's all nonsense, everybody wants the fight except Floyd. Manny ASKED him for the bloody fight. Even the great Muhammad Ali has just gone on record urging him to take the fight.

Floyd has been Manny's goal from day dot!

After what we just witnessed how can you even write off Manny now!?

Bowe and Floyd are biggest quackers in history. The pure definition of the word "duck".

I'm not saying he ducked every fighter, I don't believe any of that, but he shamefully did Pac.

You could make just as strong of an argument to say it was the other way round. There will always be fighters who other fighters don't fight. I remember when Margarito was in Pacquiao's position a few years back and apparently Floyd was ducking him. Sometimes, fights just don't get made. A win over Pacquiao doesn't make or break Mayweather.

Wrong.

A win over Pacquiao would completely cement his legacy.

Never fighting him cuts his legacy in half.

That's what most ppl see I believe.

Not now it doesn't. Pacquiao has lost twice (once legit) since the fight was mooted, and his last spectacular performance against a top level guy was a good few years back now.

Not beating Pacquiao doesn't detract from him being considered one of the greatest of all time. He's dominated the sport for over a decade.

He could beat Pacquiao so comfortably that it wouldn't impove his legacy a great deal. He could just make it look like Pacquiao is completely finished. His best case scenario is that he comes through a storm to win, and that's what people have always wanted to happen. I've even heard people say he needs to avenge a loss to be considered the GOAT. It's ridiculous.

[beenKOed]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He wasn't comfortable fighting Maidana.
Not looking for an argument, just trying to keep it real.

[ono]

It's a stupid assesment. It's like saying "to be the greatest of all time, you need to have more close fights against the same fighter. He doesn't have a nemesis because he's beaten everyone comfortably enough.

He wasn't comfortable fighting Maidana.
Not looking for an argument, just trying to keep it real.

He was comfortable boxing Maidana within the rules. He wasn't comfortable with being UFC'd to death. There was an outcry on here when Hatton showed about 10% of the dirtiness shown by Maidana against Mayweather.