Eddie Chambers explains why Wladimir Klitschko is an all-time great

[p4pking]

That's reasonable. You'll have to list at least 500 fighters from central Africa you like to convince me that you aren't a Grand wizard though.

....then I guess it probably doesn't help that my sole reason for disliking them is because they are all octoroons

Damn, this is getting complicated. You aren't supposed to know anything about that part of the world, now I'll have to do some research and get back to you.

[TitoFan]

How the hell did this become about race yet again?


Wlad could be transparent, with black extremities, white torso, red hair, and a yellow and purple polka-dotted face. He's still not an ATG, IMO. For several reasons:


1. He hasn't faced a decent challenger in years.
2. He was KTFO'ed three times in his earlier years, knockouts that went mostly unavenged.
3. These KTFO losses came at the hands of fighters of little reknown otherwise.
4. He's not above fouling in the worst way, to save his brittle chin. Even if it means stinking up the ring with clinching and mauling tactics. For this he mostly gets a free pass from the ref.
5. He hasn't had that "epic" fight, where he has to get off the canvas or come back to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.




I could give a shit what color and nationality he is.
He's as boring as drying paint.
And if he doesn't care, neither do I.

[El Kabong]

How the hell did this become about race yet again?


Wlad could be transparent, with black extremities, white torso, red hair, and a yellow and purple polka-dotted face. He's still not an ATG, IMO. For several reasons:


1. He hasn't faced a decent challenger in years.
2. He was KTFO'ed three times in his earlier years, knockouts that went mostly unavenged.
3. These KTFO losses came at the hands of fighters of little reknown otherwise.
4. He's not above fouling in the worst way, to save his brittle chin. Even if it means stinking up the ring with clinching and mauling tactics. For this he mostly gets a free pass from the ref.
5. He hasn't had that "epic" fight, where he has to get off the canvas or come back to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.




I could give a shit what color and nationality he is.
He's as boring as drying paint.
And if he doesn't care, neither do I.

You can thank cyclone for bringing up race.

1. Ok I guess all those undefeated fighters he beat don't mean much.
2. He probably also lost a few as an amateur too, want to be a dear and go dig those up? The point is how he has recovered when his career was once on the line...and now he's 10 years unbeaten and a dominant champion. He avenged the loss to Brewster, Corrie Sanders is now sadly deceased, and Ross Purrity is retired (I think) but that fight happened when Wlad was in his early 20's. How many defeats did Mike Tyson avenge? Yeah, that's what I thought
3. Buster Douglas was well known, Oliver McCall, Hasim Rahman?
4. It's only a foul if the ref calls it
5. Get off the canvas to win....hmm I seem to recall Wlad beating Sam Peter having been knocked down 3 times....but that doesn't count because

[TitoFan]

How the hell did this become about race yet again?


Wlad could be transparent, with black extremities, white torso, red hair, and a yellow and purple polka-dotted face. He's still not an ATG, IMO. For several reasons:


1. He hasn't faced a decent challenger in years.
2. He was KTFO'ed three times in his earlier years, knockouts that went mostly unavenged.
3. These KTFO losses came at the hands of fighters of little reknown otherwise.
4. He's not above fouling in the worst way, to save his brittle chin. Even if it means stinking up the ring with clinching and mauling tactics. For this he mostly gets a free pass from the ref.
5. He hasn't had that "epic" fight, where he has to get off the canvas or come back to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.




I could give a shit what color and nationality he is.
He's as boring as drying paint.
And if he doesn't care, neither do I.

You can thank cyclone for bringing up race.

1. Ok I guess all those undefeated fighters he beat don't mean much.
2. He probably also lost a few as an amateur too, want to be a dear and go dig those up? The point is how he has recovered when his career was once on the line...and now he's 10 years unbeaten and a dominant champion. He avenged the loss to Brewster, Corrie Sanders is now sadly deceased, and Ross Purrity is retired (I think) but that fight happened when Wlad was in his early 20's. How many defeats did Mike Tyson avenge? Yeah, that's what I thought
3. Buster Douglas was well known, Oliver McCall, Hasim Rahman?
4. It's only a foul if the ref calls it
5. Get off the canvas to win....hmm I seem to recall Wlad beating Sam Peter having been knocked down 3 times....but that doesn't count because

Ok... we both agree this is "race-less". Beyond that...

1. Undefeated and still carrying a load of shit in your trunks on the way to the ring still doesn't mean much. Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash. It won't work.

2. No need to dig anything up. The point still stands. Your comparison to Tyson holds no water. After Tyson's defeat at the hands of Douglas, it was mostly downhill from there. Wlad has been champion for a long time.

3. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman are better known than Ross Purrity and Lamont Brewster. You won't agree 'cause it doesn't fit your agenda.

4. Typical answer. If it was Wlad getting fouled, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

5. Ahh... yes... Klitschko-Peter. Mentioned in boxing circles right along with Ali-Frazier, Norton-Holmes, Lewis-Vitali. What a fucking classic!!

[El Kabong]

Ok... we both agree this is "race-less". Beyond that...

1. Undefeated and still carrying a load of shit in your trunks on the way to the ring still doesn't mean much. Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash. It won't work.

2. No need to dig anything up. The point still stands. Your comparison to Tyson holds no water. After Tyson's defeat at the hands of Douglas, it was mostly downhill from there. Wlad has been champion for a long time.

3. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman are better known than Ross Purrity and Lamont Brewster. You won't agree 'cause it doesn't fit your agenda.

4. Typical answer. If it was Wlad getting fouled, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

5. Ahh... yes... Klitschko-Peter. Mentioned in boxing circles right along with Ali-Frazier, Norton-Holmes, Lewis-Vitali. What a fucking classic!!

1. Fine whatever, I forget that 100% of contenders all previous heavyweight champions fought were hall of famers

2. My comparison to Tyson holds a lot of water but you're looking at it from the angle of "Tyson was washed up" and not "Wladimir learned from his mistakes to become a better fighter", Tyson never learned, he did 1 thing he did it well but when he got in with a fighter who could counter what he did he lost. Maybe it was lack of training and cocaine but you look at Wladimir and tell me where's the motivation for Wlad to stay fit? Where's the motivation for him to train as hard as he does? But I suppose that's not important at all, doesn't fit your agenda all that well.

3. Rahman and McCall are better known because they picked off a fighter in/approaching his absolute PRIME

4. Wlad has been fouled NUMEROUS times he just decides to deal with it like an adult.

5. You said "Wlad hasn't had to get off the canvas to win", I corrected you and because you continue to be such a fucking cunt I'm going to block you as well.


Have a good one

[Master]

Wlad may become an ATG if he carries on defending and defeating all challengers he can only beat what is in front of him over 10 years. That consistency needs to be recognised because many fighters have failed to do that.

I am normally a fan of Wlad but the Povetkin fight really put me off and makes it hard to defend that performance and consider him an ATG.

[TitoFan]

Ok... we both agree this is "race-less". Beyond that...

1. Undefeated and still carrying a load of shit in your trunks on the way to the ring still doesn't mean much. Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash. It won't work.

2. No need to dig anything up. The point still stands. Your comparison to Tyson holds no water. After Tyson's defeat at the hands of Douglas, it was mostly downhill from there. Wlad has been champion for a long time.

3. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman are better known than Ross Purrity and Lamont Brewster. You won't agree 'cause it doesn't fit your agenda.

4. Typical answer. If it was Wlad getting fouled, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

5. Ahh... yes... Klitschko-Peter. Mentioned in boxing circles right along with Ali-Frazier, Norton-Holmes, Lewis-Vitali. What a fucking classic!!

1. Fine whatever, I forget that 100% of contenders all previous heavyweight champions fought were hall of famers

2. My comparison to Tyson holds a lot of water but you're looking at it from the angle of "Tyson was washed up" and not "Wladimir learned from his mistakes to become a better fighter", Tyson never learned, he did 1 thing he did it well but when he got in with a fighter who could counter what he did he lost. Maybe it was lack of training and cocaine but you look at Wladimir and tell me where's the motivation for Wlad to stay fit? Where's the motivation for him to train as hard as he does? But I suppose that's not important at all, doesn't fit your agenda all that well.

3. Rahman and McCall are better known because they picked off a fighter in/approaching his absolute PRIME

4. Wlad has been fouled NUMEROUS times he just decides to deal with it like an adult.

5. You said "Wlad hasn't had to get off the canvas to win", I corrected you and because you continue to be such a fucking cunt I'm going to block you as well.


Have a good one

So let me see if I got this straight. One who disagrees with you is a fucking cunt. Interesting. And here I was further up in your post getting set to agree with your assessment of how Wlad has stayed fit throughout his career and deserves kudos for that. But you're incapable of arguing like an adult, so all you deserve are the insults you normally get thrown your way. It's not like I was expecting anything else from you.


You too.

[Master]

Tito being called a cunt by your fellow poster is a badge of honour here in Saddo world. You just got made.

[El Kabong]

So let me see if I got this straight. One who disagrees with you is a fucking cunt. Interesting. And here I was further up in your post getting set to agree with your assessment of how Wlad has stayed fit throughout his career and deserves kudos for that. But you're incapable of arguing like an adult, so all you deserve are the insults you normally get thrown your way. It's not like I was expecting anything else from you.


You too.

Not everyone who disagrees with me is a cunt. You act like a cunt by being generally dismissive of feats if ANYONE else accomplished you'd be all over celebrating how great the fighter was. You could have tried to reason out a response, you could have tried to support your stance with facts and evidence, but no, that's not your style, your style is to post this: "Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash"....yeah that's some top shelf argument you have there. Here let me back my point up by being a generally dismissive asshole...that's what you did and so I've called you a cunt and I've blocked you because you offer NOTHING. You want to discuss something then discuss it but to be that fucking dismissive....not saying "well Mormeck didn't deserve a title shot, neither did Leapai" and backing up an argument that maybe had parts I might have agreed with makes you a cunt of a poster, yes you are a cunt, you argue like a cunt, you act like a cunt, and therefore you have been blocked.

You want to say "Wlad HAS stayed in shape" and just throw that little crumb out thinking it would appease me after you've just shat over 100% of his competition for his entire career.....Ken Norton always stayed in decent shape too but you didn't see that cocksucker successfully defending title vs anyone and everyone now fucking did you? Kimbo Slice is in good shape, how is he not a champion right now? Or does it actually take TALENT to achieve the kind of success Wladimir has enjoyed in the division? But you could never admit that could you? You and a few other posters are all too pleased to sit back and bitch about how Wladimir fights....well if what Wlad does is so easy and so simple then how about you hop your ass up into the ring and prove me wrong. Prove to me that it takes no talent to accomplish what Wladimir has done regardless of opponent. If you could find 62 High School kids not even AMATEUR boxers that you could beat in a boxing match and 52 by KO/TKO then MAYBE you could have a point but the truth of the matter is Wladimir Klitschko is an All-Time Great Heavyweight Champion of the World, his career proves it and all you do is type bullshit....so continue on with the bullshit I'm done with you (now that I have explained in detail why you're a cunt and why you no longer deserve my attention).

[cyclone]

How the hell did this become about race yet again?


Wlad could be transparent, with black extremities, white torso, red hair, and a yellow and purple polka-dotted face. He's still not an ATG, IMO. For several reasons:


1. He hasn't faced a decent challenger in years.
2. He was KTFO'ed three times in his earlier years, knockouts that went mostly unavenged.
3. These KTFO losses came at the hands of fighters of little reknown otherwise.
4. He's not above fouling in the worst way, to save his brittle chin. Even if it means stinking up the ring with clinching and mauling tactics. For this he mostly gets a free pass from the ref.
5. He hasn't had that "epic" fight, where he has to get off the canvas or come back to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.




I could give a shit what color and nationality he is.
He's as boring as drying paint.
And if he doesn't care, neither do I.

Preach that word...preach it..

[TigerFan]

When did Saddo turn into Eastsideboxing/Boxingscene

[Freedom]

When did Saddo turn into Eastsideboxing/Boxingscene

I regret making this thread.

The idea of a white boxers being "great" is very upsetting to black supremacists like cyclone and p4pking, since they deeply believe only black boxers can ever be great and all non-black boxers are inferior.

Perhaps the mods should lock this thread.

[p4pking]

When did Saddo turn into Eastsideboxing/Boxingscene

I regret making this thread.

The idea of a white boxers being "great" is very upsetting to black supremacists like cyclone and p4pking, since they deeply believe only black boxers can ever be great and all non-black boxers are inferior.

Perhaps the mods should lock this thread.

Perhaps they should, seeing as you're going to keep posting rubbish like that.. I didn't even mention race except to play around with Lyle after we had a communication error, but obviously you are a humourless creep and didn't quite grasp that. I respect Wlad plenty, I don't really enjoy watching him fight but he's probably the boxer I respect most as a man out of any I've ever been aware of.

[cyclone]

When did Saddo turn into Eastsideboxing/Boxingscene

I regret making this thread.

The idea of a white boxers being "great" is very upsetting to black supremacists like cyclone and p4pking, since they deeply believe only black boxers can ever be great and all non-black boxers are inferior.

Perhaps the mods should lock this thread.

YOU are the one that feels Black fighters are superior....hence your constant state of butt-hurtness.

It fucks with you that Vlad will NEVER be on the level of those great Black heavies.

Vlad got blasted unconscious by losers that couldn't topple Ali's spit bucket and Vitali QUIT because an Ex middleweight was WALKING HIM DOWN and ROCKING his sorry ass.

Don't give me that shit about an injury because he was throwing with both hands all night.

Even if he were hurt that was still no excuse to quit.

Ali had a broken jaw...he didn't quit.
Floyd didn't let a shoulder injury punk him out.
Kirkland tore his shoulder to shreds...yet he didn't BITCH OUT like a foreign robot.

The Klits lack toughness and heart...typical..

[El Kabong]

The Klits lack toughness and heart...typical..

Yup typical of the dominate heavyweight he is...how's about you go dig up a challenge for him?