I now rank Floyd somwhere between top 30-40 all time...

[CutMeMick]

Mick, just curious as to how u rank Roy ahead of Floyd, Hop, n Oscar? R u ranking more off of potential vs accomplishments?

@mikeeod
RJJ catches a lot of shit for the latter part of his career... While it does take into consideration. My ranking consists of an all time career. This means opposition, accomplishments, titles, overall skills, wins vs. loses.
Take someone like Emile Griffith or Ezzard Charles with over 20 loses. Yes they form part of their record but it needs to be noted the loses came at the end of their careers.

RJJ was a supreme fighter unlike anything we have ever seen and probably will ever see. Part human part amazing. I used to rank RJJ very low on my lists about 5 yrs ago I don't even think he was in my top 30 until I took off my "hater" glasses and saw his career for what it was. Saw his skills without thinking well it's just Gonzalez or Kelly or it was a young Hopkins or a young Toney. RJJ at his peak was the most athletically gifted boxer that has ever stepped into a ring.

I say this often my lists tend to change as I learn more and more, years back I couldn't rank Ezzard, Canzoneri or Ross but I've been doing a lot of research and reading and watching as many of their fights as I could get a hold of.

[Beanflicker]

Floyd's in my top 3 of all time easily.

[Julius Rain]

Props for being brave and put out a list. Everybody will pick it apart. Good to see you around Mick!



I completely disagree but who cares....

[powerpuncher]

well you seem to know what you are talking about which is nice. although i have a few problems with your list, its not too bad. i am like you though, there are certain fighters that i just dont know enough about. maybe i just dont know enough about ezzard charles but you seem to rank him really high for some reason. although he is arguably the best LHW ever.

for me, i cant rank floyd below top 25 but im sure that he is in my top 20. i havent made a list so i cant say for sure where. he isnt in my top 10 though.

i am glad that you have taken off your hater glasses for jones. he was so good and people just hate on him. IMO, he is the best fighter of the past 25 years.

[Mr140]

Good to see you Cut i thought you might of died or something like think saddo did also i agree with alot of the list but not all of it but shit well thought out at least. After all this talk of rating think we should have atg list for old generation and the new one split up. Like form the 1900 to 1960's and the 1970's to like now and then have a ranking list for those eras kinda like hall of fame has i think. Anyhow i am curious how much footage did you get to see of the older fighters a lot of the older ones i have really search to see and read a fucking shit ton about sure as shit ain't easy i will tell you that.

[Spicoli]

Don't call it a comeback!! Ha. Agreed on his area of rank though ATG list can at times be as subjective and broad as even a p4p list. Titles, defences, opposition, or just looking at a guy and knowing he's more skilled...etc. Its a big difficult ball of wax at times. I'd have a hard time putting Sr. in the top 10 but that's just me. Jones I still have not cracking 20 ish and put Lopez ahead although like you said he too may take strikes because of lack of comp or even moving up. But on skill and pure craft Lopez, on athleticism and phenomenal reflex Jones. I still think Mayweather will always regret his departure immediately after Hatton as the division seemed to pass him by and he indeed missed some big opportunities to cement greatness. I gotta crash. Welcome back chief!

[CutMeMick]

Don't call it a comeback!! Ha. Agreed on his area of rank though ATG list can at times be as subjective and broad as even a p4p list. Titles, defences, opposition, or just looking at a guy and knowing he's more skilled...etc. Its a big difficult ball of wax at times. I'd have a hard time putting Sr. in the top 10 but that's just me. Jones I still have not cracking 20 ish and put Lopez ahead although like you said he too may take strikes because of lack of comp or even moving up. But on skill and pure craft Lopez, on athleticism and phenomenal reflex Jones. I still think Mayweather will always regret his departure immediately after Hatton as the division seemed to pass him by and he indeed missed some big opportunities to cement greatness. I gotta crash. Welcome back chief!

@Spicoli completely agree with you solely based on craft and ring generalship NO ONE comes close to Finito Lopez... Arguably the closest thing to a perfect boxer if one has ever existed.
I also agree on the bit of Floyd taking his mini vacation.