I now rank Floyd somwhere between top 30-40 all time...

[CutMeMick]

Dude. I respect your boxing knowledge because I consider myself fairly knowledgeable about boxing, but some of the names on that list even I have not heard of.

@denilson200 I don't consider myself pretty knowledgeable... I'm just a student of the game. I learn and feed off everyday reading and research. I pick up bits and pieces and ideas and do the work.

When I first saw the length of your reply I was honestly happy as I like debating and sharing details and info. that's how I learn and then I read your response...

Ike Williams ? Who ?

If you don't know who Ike Williams is then I'm not sure I can go past this part of your response and answer the set of questions...

I Have you really seen enough of him fight to say he's deserves to be numbers 26? Have you seen Eder Jofre fight ? or Miguel Canto ?

I have a little over 6,000 fights saved in a hard drive that form part of my fight collection. I have exactly 8 complete Ike Williams fights. I have seen more then enough footage and have done the research to comfortably rank him at #26.
I have exactly 4 complete Eder Jofre fights. I have seen more then enough highlights and footage as well as done research to comfortably rank him.
I have exactly 13 complete Miguel Canto fights. I have seen more then enough footage and have done the research as well as become good friends with his son on Facebook to rank him.

As I mentioned I was really looking forward to replying to your entire comment but if you honestly don't know who Ike Williams is, it's best you learn about him. Then you can comeback and question me.

[denilson200]

Dude. I respect your boxing knowledge because I consider myself fairly knowledgeable about boxing, but some of the names on that list even I have not heard of.

@denilson200 I don't consider myself pretty knowledgeable... I'm just a student of the game. I learn and feed off everyday reading and research. I pick up bits and pieces and ideas and do the work.

When I first saw the length of your reply I was honestly happy as I like debating and sharing details and info. that's how I learn and then I read your response...

Ike Williams ? Who ?

If you don't know who Ike Williams is then I'm not sure I can go past this part of your response and answer the set of questions...

I Have you really seen enough of him fight to say he's deserves to be numbers 26? Have you seen Eder Jofre fight ? or Miguel Canto ?

I have a little over 6,000 fights saved in a hard drive that form part of my fight collection. I have exactly 8 complete Ike Williams fights. I have seen more then enough footage and have done the research to comfortably rank him at #26.
I have exactly 4 complete Eder Jofre fights. I have seen more then enough highlights and footage as well as done research to comfortably rank him.
I have exactly 13 complete Miguel Canto fights. I have seen more then enough footage and have done the research as well as become good friends with his son on Facebook to rank him.

As I mentioned I was really looking forward to replying to your entire comment but if you honestly don't know who Ike Williams is, it's best you learn about him. Then you can comeback and question me.

Dude. Don't take yourself so seriously

I would lay a far bet that Floyd Mayweather himself has not heard of Ike Williams

So he knows nothing about Boxing ?

Maybe the fact that I have never heard of him says something in itself.

It's just opinion and everyone has one.

You put in Micheal Spinks but not Jack Dempsey or Gene Tunney or Jack Johnson or Tyson ? Spinks was better than all them ? Cmon

[fan johnny]

The boxing sprirt of old is long gone. Robinson fought 34 times in his last 3 years and Armstong 49 times. Floyd has fought what, 5 fights? We would need a matrix of criteria to come close to making a realistic comparison rather than here is my opinion.

[Beanflicker]

The boxing sprirt of old is long gone. Robinson fought 34 times in his last 3 years and Armstong 49 times. Floyd has fought what, 5 fights? We would need a matrix of criteria to come close to making a realistic comparison rather than here is my opinion.

Yeah but Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong weren't making no 60 million dollars a fight, either. If they could get paid that much per fight, do you think they'd still be fighting that much? Hell nah.

[fan johnny]

The boxing sprirt of old is long gone. Robinson fought 34 times in his last 3 years and Armstong 49 times. Floyd has fought what, 5 fights? We would need a matrix of criteria to come close to making a realistic comparison rather than here is my opinion.

Yeah but Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong weren't making no 60 million dollars a fight, either. If they could get paid that much per fight, do you think they'd still be fighting that much? Hell nah.

Point being, put mayeather in that erra and he would get busted up. Put Armstrong in todays erra and still clean out the divisions with endorcement too.

[Mr140]

Denilsen200 Micheal number is fine he was first and only Lineal champ at lhw and hw. He has a great resume at Lhw was the only champ at lhw who was undefeated. He lost to Tyson at his peak at a weight Spinks was not the greatest at look at Tysons lose to Douglass does that put a mark on him.

[Beanflicker]

The boxing sprirt of old is long gone. Robinson fought 34 times in his last 3 years and Armstong 49 times. Floyd has fought what, 5 fights? We would need a matrix of criteria to come close to making a realistic comparison rather than here is my opinion.

Yeah but Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong weren't making no 60 million dollars a fight, either. If they could get paid that much per fight, do you think they'd still be fighting that much? Hell nah.

Point being, put mayeather in that erra and he would get busted up. Put Armstrong in todays erra and still clean out the divisions with endorcement too.

Who's going to bust Mayweather up? One of the many club fighters that these guys padded their records with?

Go look at the records of any of these guys: you'll see them fight guys with losing records, less than 10 fights, ect.

Floyd wouldn't be allowed to fight that kind of competition today because the Athletic Commissions wouldn't allow it because it wouldn't be a fair fight.

[fan johnny]

The boxing sprirt of old is long gone. Robinson fought 34 times in his last 3 years and Armstong 49 times. Floyd has fought what, 5 fights? We would need a matrix of criteria to come close to making a realistic comparison rather than here is my opinion.

Yeah but Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong weren't making no 60 million dollars a fight, either. If they could get paid that much per fight, do you think they'd still be fighting that much? Hell nah.

Point being, put mayeather in that erra and he would get busted up. Put Armstrong in todays erra and still clean out the divisions with endorcement too.

Who's going to bust Mayweather up? One of the many club fighters that these guys padded their records with?

Go look at the records of any of these guys: you'll see them fight guys with losing records, less than 10 fights, ect.

Floyd wouldn't be allowed to fight that kind of competition today because the Athletic Commissions wouldn't allow it because it wouldn't be a fair fight.

You cant be serious? ( blasphemy)

Mayweather just had his biggest nightmare fight against a come forward no boxing skills fighter that almost took away his potential. Haven't you heard from Mayweathers mouth that his achilles heel is the amateur puncher? That might be why he won't get into the ring with pacquiao.

[Beanz]

Beanflicker this whole pro Mayweather thing is admirable but it's getting quite boring. I've seen you on here for years and it seems something is up. I don't know if you're being encouraged by the new dickheads Cyclone and Ron or if the Maidana fight somehow unnerved you, but it's as if you have suddenly embarked on a rage induced crusade to defend Floyd at all costs, and to be honest you're starting to come across as a megalomaniac who just wants to crush anyone who disagrees with your theories. What's up mate?

Suddenly? I've been defending Floyd against unfounded hating for years.

If people can't back up their opinions or respond to criticism, stay off the forums.

If you talk bullshit, I'm going to call you out on it.

When you see someone who claims that Mayweather is not an ATG, or that he's not in the top 20 p4p of all time, you can remember their names and then when you see them posting in a thread you can save your time and skip over it, because they'll have nothing insightful to say about anything boxing related.

If he beats the Thurman-Porter winner, Lara if he beats Canelo, and the winner of Cotto-Martinez, he'll be a top 20 ATG.

LOL, only then eh? Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

The boxing sprirt of old is long gone. Robinson fought 34 times in his last 3 years and Armstong 49 times. Floyd has fought what, 5 fights? We would need a matrix of criteria to come close to making a realistic comparison rather than here is my opinion.

Yeah but Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong weren't making no 60 million dollars a fight, either. If they could get paid that much per fight, do you think they'd still be fighting that much? Hell nah.

Point being, put mayeather in that erra and he would get busted up. Put Armstrong in todays erra and still clean out the divisions with endorcement too.

Who's going to bust Mayweather up? One of the many club fighters that these guys padded their records with?

Go look at the records of any of these guys: you'll see them fight guys with losing records, less than 10 fights, ect.

Floyd wouldn't be allowed to fight that kind of competition today because the Athletic Commissions wouldn't allow it because it wouldn't be a fair fight.

Do you really still think that Mick and a whole host of other posters really have nothing insightful to say about anything boxing related ? After all it was you who said "If people can't back up their opinions or respond to criticism, stay off the forums".