I now rank Floyd somwhere between top 30-40 all time...

[Beanflicker]

The boxing sprirt of old is long gone. Robinson fought 34 times in his last 3 years and Armstong 49 times. Floyd has fought what, 5 fights? We would need a matrix of criteria to come close to making a realistic comparison rather than here is my opinion.

Yeah but Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong weren't making no 60 million dollars a fight, either. If they could get paid that much per fight, do you think they'd still be fighting that much? Hell nah.

Point being, put mayeather in that erra and he would get busted up. Put Armstrong in todays erra and still clean out the divisions with endorcement too.

Who's going to bust Mayweather up? One of the many club fighters that these guys padded their records with?

Go look at the records of any of these guys: you'll see them fight guys with losing records, less than 10 fights, ect.

Floyd wouldn't be allowed to fight that kind of competition today because the Athletic Commissions wouldn't allow it because it wouldn't be a fair fight.

[fan johnny]

The boxing sprirt of old is long gone. Robinson fought 34 times in his last 3 years and Armstong 49 times. Floyd has fought what, 5 fights? We would need a matrix of criteria to come close to making a realistic comparison rather than here is my opinion.

Yeah but Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong weren't making no 60 million dollars a fight, either. If they could get paid that much per fight, do you think they'd still be fighting that much? Hell nah.

Point being, put mayeather in that erra and he would get busted up. Put Armstrong in todays erra and still clean out the divisions with endorcement too.

Who's going to bust Mayweather up? One of the many club fighters that these guys padded their records with?

Go look at the records of any of these guys: you'll see them fight guys with losing records, less than 10 fights, ect.

Floyd wouldn't be allowed to fight that kind of competition today because the Athletic Commissions wouldn't allow it because it wouldn't be a fair fight.

You cant be serious? ( blasphemy)

Mayweather just had his biggest nightmare fight against a come forward no boxing skills fighter that almost took away his potential. Haven't you heard from Mayweathers mouth that his achilles heel is the amateur puncher? That might be why he won't get into the ring with pacquiao.

[Beanz]

Beanflicker this whole pro Mayweather thing is admirable but it's getting quite boring. I've seen you on here for years and it seems something is up. I don't know if you're being encouraged by the new dickheads Cyclone and Ron or if the Maidana fight somehow unnerved you, but it's as if you have suddenly embarked on a rage induced crusade to defend Floyd at all costs, and to be honest you're starting to come across as a megalomaniac who just wants to crush anyone who disagrees with your theories. What's up mate?

Suddenly? I've been defending Floyd against unfounded hating for years.

If people can't back up their opinions or respond to criticism, stay off the forums.

If you talk bullshit, I'm going to call you out on it.

When you see someone who claims that Mayweather is not an ATG, or that he's not in the top 20 p4p of all time, you can remember their names and then when you see them posting in a thread you can save your time and skip over it, because they'll have nothing insightful to say about anything boxing related.

If he beats the Thurman-Porter winner, Lara if he beats Canelo, and the winner of Cotto-Martinez, he'll be a top 20 ATG.

LOL, only then eh? Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

The boxing sprirt of old is long gone. Robinson fought 34 times in his last 3 years and Armstong 49 times. Floyd has fought what, 5 fights? We would need a matrix of criteria to come close to making a realistic comparison rather than here is my opinion.

Yeah but Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong weren't making no 60 million dollars a fight, either. If they could get paid that much per fight, do you think they'd still be fighting that much? Hell nah.

Point being, put mayeather in that erra and he would get busted up. Put Armstrong in todays erra and still clean out the divisions with endorcement too.

Who's going to bust Mayweather up? One of the many club fighters that these guys padded their records with?

Go look at the records of any of these guys: you'll see them fight guys with losing records, less than 10 fights, ect.

Floyd wouldn't be allowed to fight that kind of competition today because the Athletic Commissions wouldn't allow it because it wouldn't be a fair fight.

Do you really still think that Mick and a whole host of other posters really have nothing insightful to say about anything boxing related ? After all it was you who said "If people can't back up their opinions or respond to criticism, stay off the forums".

[Mr140]

Have mayweather in my top 15 and Pac in the top 25 but that changes depemding on how i feel. The only fighters i have in the top 10 consistently are SRR and Leonard. Now that i know there is footage of Robinson at ww that i can see some how i will have fucking find it don't know how but i will.

[amat]

Mayweather is definitely among the 10 best boxers I've ever seen and that's probably an insult to Mayweather.

Mick, I love you man. No fucking way you have seen more than the one fight of SRR. Which that's probably what you saw when you referred to seeing a prime SRR, but that's IT of a prime SRR. every contemporary writer says he wasn't the same at middleweight but we have one (I believe) to go on.

There are no full fights of Robinson at welterweight and in his prime and there are barely any clips. If anyone has those fights, it's Jimmy Jacobs. And he doesn't. He would get Solange-Jay Z money for even one fight. They're not around. We don't know a prime SRR.

[VG_Addict]

Really, nobody in the current era has a legitimate claim to be #1 P4P but Floyd. A few years ago, you could have said Pacquiao, but he got knocked out by Marquez.

Yes, Floyd struggled against Maidana, but I think that was more because of age than anything else. I think we all know that the Floyd of the Guerrero fight dominates Maidana.

[Master]

Really, nobody in the current era has a legitimate claim to be #1 P4P but Floyd. A few years ago, you could have said Pacquiao, but he got knocked out by Marquez.

Yes, Floyd struggled against Maidana, but I think that was more because of age than anything else. I think we all know that the Floyd of the Guerrero fight dominates Maidana.

That is not saying a lot about Floyd, Guerrero is rubbish and done nothing.

[CutMeMick]

Any chance you could upload some of those SRR fights please matey?

Only cuz I think you're a cool lad... @Kirkland Laing
(Just want to clarify that this is NOT my upload)

Mick, I love you man. No fucking way you have seen more than the one fight of SRR. Which that's probably what you saw when you referred to seeing a prime SRR, but that's IT of a prime SRR. every contemporary writer says he wasn't the same at middleweight but we have one (I believe) to go on.

There are no full fights of Robinson at welterweight and in his prime and there are barely any clips. If anyone has those fights, it's Jimmy Jacobs. And he doesn't. He would get Solange-Jay Z money for even one fight. They're not around. We don't know a prime SRR.

@amat I have to admit I'm really disappointed that you would question my integrity... I'd expect it from a newbie or someone who doesn't like me. But you? I gotta say you cut me deep here man. I'm glad the Kings smashed on San Jose and I hope the Oakland A's smash on your Giants overall this season and I hate the Clippers but now I'm glad they fucken murked Golden State!!! HAHAHAHAHA... Ok I feel better now.

Anywhore!!!
Here's the video 2 hours of Sugar Ray Robinson in all his infinite glory with several fights of him at 147. Yes you read that right SRR at 147. I've done research myself and verified it. So if I can do it so can you all it takes is time and patience to go thru the video and look up the names, date & weight. I can assure you it's there. Enjoy! you can all thank me with reputation points...

[Fenster]

Sweet Pea is ranked so high because...?

(question aimed at anyone not just micky shades)

[Max Power]

As much is it pains me to say this, Floyd is one of the best fighters we've ever seen.

You have to give credit where it is due..

And NOT give it where it clearly isn't!

[Master]

[QUOTE=Fenster;1289657]Sweet Pea is ranked so high because...?

(question aimed at anyone not just micky shades)

Pernell did and achieved everything before Floyd did.