Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter

[TyBuff]

Its a long shot for Toney to lose this one imo. I think Peter is just to limited, Toney will slip, duck and counter his way to a UD.

[Galaxy]

Its a long shot for Toney to lose this one imo. I think Peter is just to limited, Toney will slip, duck and counter his way to a UD.

I with you bro, Toney good technically.

[Klitschkofn4lfe]

There are some good videos of these guys on Shotime.com but anyways about the fight this fight will be good if toney gets his big ass head knocked off, remember that peter was walking through all of Klitschko's shots all of them except the 12 and final round. And Yes james is good but he has never fought a man with this type of power rahman never had his power and aggression. It is gonna be I say a 7th or 8th round knock out for Peter!!!

[Saddo]

OK here is what the experts are saying....

http://www.saddoboxing.com/3769-boxi...uel-peter.html

[Fenster]

The first "expert" fancies Toney by KO

He's either a genius or he's a possible candidate to beat Sals golf score record in the prediction comp.

[Gandalf]

Well I have to disagree with you here Wacko, on two points.

Firstly I love James Toney, his smack talk and arrogance gives some much needed character and personality to a heavyweight division populated mostly by non entities.

Secondly, that this is a mismatch I really don't understand at all.

Yes Sam Peter is about as skillful as Mayorga and Toney is as good as De La Hoya, but physically Peter is far better equipped than for example Mayorga was against Oscar.

Peter packs a huge punch and can KO heavyweights with one punch, Toney has an iron chin BUT he's not a real heavyweight so you would have to assume that if he gets hit flush he could go.

Toney's age is also against him, 38 years old! Peter is what, all of 26 or something.

Peter may be rough around the edges but he has only one defeat, to the guy who is unquestionably the divisions best AND he decked him 3 times!

This is not going to be an easy fight for James Toney, and I don't really agree with you saying that Peter can't take Toney to the ropes and win.

Yes Toney is a master at slipping punches but if he's trapped on the ropes with Peter reigning on him he'll be walking a tightrope and will have to slip every single punch else he's toast.

I'm really really excited by this fight, personally I think it's a crazy fight for either fighter to choose to participate in.

Peter, a crude brawler goes in with the most skilful and crafty heavyweight out there, whilst Toney, a short little fat man who should really weigh about 70 pounds less goes in with the biggest, baddest heavyweight currently in boxing.

For me it's a real pick em fight.

I'm leaning towards James Toney cos he's my favourite heavy but I'll be chewing my nails down to a stub whilst watching this one.

Superb posting, Bilbo

Toney could very well be over his head, gotta love/loathe him though. Im a fan and hope he manages a tough decision....

[Wacko3205]

I know it's a bit late...but we got some pics up on the first post of this tired ole' thread...check em out!

Fatties.

[Gandalf]

I know it's a bit late...but we got some pics up on the first post of this tired ole' thread...check em out!

Fatties.

Toney looks a little more in check. Still has titties and a rubber ring around his waist but he looks better, not good by any means though....

Peter is way too big though, could very well cost him the fight. Very foolish....

[superheavyrhun]

Is there any other sport in the world where one of the best in the world can turn up to a competition to decide the second best player in the world where the competitor can turn up at 5'9" and 230lbs, and still be considered a favourite. And let's be honest, the weight that Toney has gained since he was a middleweight is not all muscle by a long shot.

The only sports I can think of are golf (Mickelson), Bowls (all of them), ten pin bowls (ditto) and WWE wrestling (Yokozuna). And the only one of any physical work is WWE, and we all know that's fixed, so come on Sam Peter, KO this wannabe middleweight.

[plinden]

but u see Peter is too heavy too.

[superheavyrhun]

but u see Peter is too heavy too.

In my view though, the difference is that Peter doesn't have a fight plan based on avoiding the opponent's shots and working with great counter. For this plan, Toney does seem to be a very big man, and the weight will not help him as he tries to duck and dodge through Peter's shots. The plan for Peter is to be as strong as possible, and blast Toney out of there. He's a big fella and packs a big punch, and that is where I think the difference is. Also, Peter is 4 inches taller than Toney too, so he probably carries the extra weight easier than someone of Toney's stature. However, I'm sure if he goes in against Klitschko, Peter would not be as big as he is this weekend, while Toney.....thinks he can beat anyone however big he is.

[Wacko3205]

but u see Peter is too heavy too.

In my view though, the difference is that Peter doesn't have a fight plan based on avoiding the opponent's shots and working with great counter. For this plan, Toney does seem to be a very big man, and the weight will not help him as he tries to duck and dodge through Peter's shots. The plan for Peter is to be as strong as possible, and blast Toney out of there. He's a big fella and packs a big punch, and that is where I think the difference is. Also, Peter is 4 inches taller than Toney too, so he probably carries the extra weight easier than someone of Toney's stature. However, I'm sure if he goes in against Klitschko, Peter would not be as big as he is this weekend, while Toney.....thinks he can beat anyone however big he is.

in another 24 hours. Very well said. I still think that Toney wins...but Christ I hope that I am WRONG!!

Either way...I hope that they let it all hang out...all combined 600lbs.

Show Chaaaaaaalee Murphey ya titties!

[Majesty]

but u see Peter is too heavy too.

In my view though, the difference is that Peter doesn't have a fight plan based on avoiding the opponent's shots and working with great counter. For this plan, Toney does seem to be a very big man, and the weight will not help him as he tries to duck and dodge through Peter's shots. The plan for Peter is to be as strong as possible, and blast Toney out of there. He's a big fella and packs a big punch, and that is where I think the difference is. Also, Peter is 4 inches taller than Toney too, so he probably carries the extra weight easier than someone of Toney's stature. However, I'm sure if he goes in against Klitschko, Peter would not be as big as he is this weekend, while Toney.....thinks he can beat anyone however big he is.

So you're saying Peter coming in heavy is an advantage and James coming in lighter is a disadvantage?

Peter didn't really look like throwing the shots that he'd need to beat Toney, he won a decision against Hawkins a guy he should have stopped. I'm not sure I'm buying this toney hype. If Toney used a jab then he has a chance, he doesn't. If Peter wins it would be by quick stoppage while he's flaining toneys arms

[superheavyrhun]

but u see Peter is too heavy too.

In my view though, the difference is that Peter doesn't have a fight plan based on avoiding the opponent's shots and working with great counter. For this plan, Toney does seem to be a very big man, and the weight will not help him as he tries to duck and dodge through Peter's shots. The plan for Peter is to be as strong as possible, and blast Toney out of there. He's a big fella and packs a big punch, and that is where I think the difference is. Also, Peter is 4 inches taller than Toney too, so he probably carries the extra weight easier than someone of Toney's stature. However, I'm sure if he goes in against Klitschko, Peter would not be as big as he is this weekend, while Toney.....thinks he can beat anyone however big he is.

So you're saying Peter coming in heavy is an advantage and James coming in lighter is a disadvantage?

Peter didn't really look like throwing the shots that he'd need to beat Toney, he won a decision against Hawkins a guy he should have stopped. I'm not sure I'm buying this toney hype. If Toney used a jab then he has a chance, he doesn't. If Peter wins it would be by quick stoppage while he's flaining toneys arms

Naah, what I was trying to say was that Toney coming in heavy affects his gameplan and the way he fights more than Peter coming in heavy does. Peter is, in essence, a very good, one dimensional power fighter. He is going to go in the ring, and try and hit Toney till he falls over. How much he weighs doesn't really affect that plan too much.

However, Toney, is going to go in there, try and avoid and block, and try and counter Peter. What i was trying to say was that Toney needs to go in there agile, and have the 12 round stamina to keep moving and keep out of the way of PEter's big punches through the fight. My view is that if Peter catches Toney flush with one of his biggest punches, then Toney is going to struggle to get back on his feet, and that's why he needs the stamina and agility to stay out of the way.

[Wacko3205]

Tonight on ESPN's Friday Night Fights we get two treats...the main event is another showcase of up & coming Super Middleweight prospect Allan Green.

Many regard Green as the next big thing at 168lbs. That remains to be seen. Keeping him busy & feeding him leftovers & journeymen has been enough to appease critics so far...no need in rushing him until he's good & ready.

But first...finally...the rematch that some of us have been waiting for!

Augustus Burton II.

For those of you that missed it...back in 2004 these two faced off & Augustus clearly had the upper hand pretty much the majority of the fight...but it fell upon the judges to pass this match off as one of the most obvious hometown knods that we would ever see. Let's see if Augustus can redeem himself as he finally get's his shot at righting the wrong against Burton.