I now rank Floyd somwhere between top 30-40 all time...

[mikeeod]

In my opinion, when ranking fighters historically, accomplishments weighted against quality of opposition r the key. Take Ricardo Lopez as an example. To me he is one of the greatest n most complete fighters ever. That being said, I can't rank him over guys that actually had great competition around then because of level of competition.

Roy was an UNBELIEVABLE talent, but more so than any other fighter in history, Roy missed numerous chances to prove his greatness against his top challengers n biggest threats. Roy's biggest accomplishment, as per precious posts, was winning a (not thee) title at middle n heavyweight. To put in perspective what a HUGE accomplishment this was, a grossly overweight and out of shape James Toney performed this very same feet against the very same fighter. Ruiz was the weakest of all the belt holders, and both former 160 pound titlist Took advantage and picked up their belts. The fact is that Roy, in his prime, never fought a p4p ranked fighter (at time of the fight) and always had at least one rival in his same weight class who was viewed as a potential threat to his supremacy.

Manny has picked up titles at 8 weights, beaten HOF Barrera, morales, JMM, Cotto and tough competition in Ledwaba, Hatton, Larios, Clottey n Bradley. When he beat them Bradley (#3), Barrera (#3), and Morales (#6) were all ranked P4P at the time they fought.

Hop has too many accomplishments to name, n most were at middleweight. Hop defended the middle title 20 times successfully, which is a record that won't be broken this century. He has the fastest knockout in a middleweight fight n is the first to hold all four titles at the same time. He has held the lineal 175 pound title on multiple occasions, is the oldest to win a title, the oldest to defend a title, n the oldest to unify. His only losses post prime were disputed losses to Joe C (ranked #4 p4p at the time) n Jermain Taylor n a loss to Chad Dawson (ranked p4p at the time). Hop beat p4p ranked fighters (time of the fight) Tito, Winky, Tarver, Pavilik, and Pascal.

The biggest reason that Roy is so low on my list is that he was never able to overcome adversity n come back from his first loss. Manny avenged his loss to Morales n went on to have one of the greatest runs vs elite comp ever. Hop rebounded very time from one of his losses to add extraordinary achievements to his resume. Roy lost to Tarver n his mystique n aura of invincibility was gone. Tough to put him high on any list of ATGs if u r not overly biased for him.

[Mr140]

The fact that Manny has so many titles is a joke in it self really to how many weight classes there are. 135 Daiz big fucking deal 154 Margarito who was suspect cheat and got fucking hammered to death by Mosley before hand. Only half of the tiles i think he was consider the champ of which was the lower weights and 140. Jones beat Bernard who went off to be a champ and Toney who was ranked second on the pound for pound. Morales is great but he was coming off a lose before fighting Pac and lost right after beating Pac never was anything again really. Barrera win was great but in prime years physical anyhow he got tooled by Jones even worse who was not a great what so ever. Then you have Jmm who most people never thought he won a fight between them the third fight consider robbery of the year by the ring and then at 40 years old Jmm knocked him out cold. As for Pound for pound Jones beating Ruiz is like Pac facing weak title holder at 168 or 175. Jones stared off at 154 and beat a guy who weight almost 230 when he he could not even make the limit to the weight a guy who had some success at hw as well that is a huge thing for Jones and kinda unheard of as well.