I now rank Floyd somwhere between top 30-40 all time...

[Master]

I honestly don't see anyone from 130 to 147 beating Floyd.

And it's not like you can say this is a weak era, like you could with the Klits and the HW division. 140-147 are both VERY strong divisions right now, and have been for quite a while.

They are not great divisions with great champions that have been able to enhance the Floyd legacy. At lightweight Shane, Duran or Pernell, welterweight there is no SRR, Leonard or Hearns or at light middle with McCallum or Norris. Floyd has not even been able to fight the number 2 welterweight in the division.

[Conrad]

Floyd is Top 10 surely? I think he's proven it the last few years even after the Maidana fight. He's 37 FFS.

Athletes improve over time and that's why records keep getting broken. A prime 2000's PBF handles pretty much everyone from 135 - 147 IMO from all decades previous. He's just too damn good to get hurt, has he ever been seriously?

Now I hate Floyd as much as the next man but I've resigned myself to the fact there's simply nobody out there that can beat him. I've travelled 3 times to Vegas in the hope he gets beaten and every time I leave thinking "maybe next time?'

There is no next time.

[powerpuncher]

as some people have stated before, there have been some very good fighters over the past century. floyd is better than almost all of them and being in the top 20 or 25 is still a tremendous accomplishment.

floyd has beaten some really good fighters. while i do agree that he is heads and shoulders better than anybody around him right now, i could say that about past fighters also. you could put sweat pea, ray robinson, ray leonard, duran, armstrong, chavez, ross, arguello, among others in floyds place and they would all dominate too. im not implying that they are all better than floyd but just stating the fact that there have been other elite fighters that would dominate this era like floyd did. and that list only included some of the people around floyds weight. thats not counting all of the other weight classes.

honestly, imagaine ray leonard in this era. who could beat him? i honestly cant think of anybody from 140-160 that could even come close. or duran. anybody from 135-154 would have no chance. so my point is that many people would dominate this era. floyd isnt the only person who could do what he has done. this is why he isnt top 10.

[CutMeMick]

Any chance you could upload some of those SRR fights please matey?

Only cuz I think you're a cool lad... @Kirkland Laing
(Just want to clarify that this is NOT my upload)

Mick, I love you man. No fucking way you have seen more than the one fight of SRR. Which that's probably what you saw when you referred to seeing a prime SRR, but that's IT of a prime SRR. every contemporary writer says he wasn't the same at middleweight but we have one (I believe) to go on.

There are no full fights of Robinson at welterweight and in his prime and there are barely any clips. If anyone has those fights, it's Jimmy Jacobs. And he doesn't. He would get Solange-Jay Z money for even one fight. They're not around. We don't know a prime SRR.

@amat I have to admit I'm really disappointed that you would question my integrity... I'd expect it from a newbie or someone who doesn't like me. But you? I gotta say you cut me deep here man. I'm glad the Kings smashed on San Jose and I hope the Oakland A's smash on your Giants overall this season and I hate the Clippers but now I'm glad they fucken murked Golden State!!! HAHAHAHAHA... Ok I feel better now.

Anywhore!!!
Here's the video 2 hours of Sugar Ray Robinson in all his infinite glory with several fights of him at 147. Yes you read that right SRR at 147. I've done research myself and verified it. So if I can do it so can you all it takes is time and patience to go thru the video and look up the names, date & weight. I can assure you it's there. Enjoy! you can all thank me with reputation points...

[Fenster]

Sweet Pea is ranked so high because...?

(question aimed at anyone not just micky shades)

[Max Power]

As much is it pains me to say this, Floyd is one of the best fighters we've ever seen.

You have to give credit where it is due..

And NOT give it where it clearly isn't!

[Dia bando]

First and foremost I hope all you fuckers are doing well... Been a while since I posted here. I missed you (some not all) sad fucks. For those who don't know me damn! I've been gone too long. For those that do, fuck off!

So I was thinking as Floyds career begins to wind down where will he end up in my all time list? Keep in mind lists are like assholes. Everybody's got one. Depending on how you rank fighters. He can be top 100, top 50 or in my case 30-40.
THE ONLY THING FLOYD LACKS COMPARED TO THESE GUYS IS OPPOSITION.
Even then he gets full credit from me for his fights vs. Chicanito Hernandez, Cotto, Corrales, Hatton, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo. Since the Mosley fight regardless of how you view his opposition he has fought some top names. He just makes them look mediocre. Even after he settled in vs. Maidana he was making him look slow and average at times.
Keep in mind I DON'T rank fighters whom I don't know enough of and or have not seen enough footage to judge them on. I simply refuse to rank fighters I've seen and know a lot of with fighters whom I've only read of. With that being said over time I've learned more and more about a lot of fighters whom 8 or 9 years ago I did not know much of and now today I can rank them.

Notable fighters I don't rank: Sam Langford, Harry Greb, Bob Fitzsimmons, Joe Gans, Benny Leonard & Mickey Walker among others.

So here it is for you to shred & tare apart... Where does Floyd rank all time? Today for me anywhere between 30-40.

40. Oscar De La Hoya
39. Carlos Zarate
38. Miguel Canto
37. Manuel Ortiz
36. Lou Ambers
35. Dick Tiger
34. Marciano
33. Saldivar
32. Wilfredo Gomez
31. Holyfield
30. Olivares
29. Hopkins
28. Harada
27. Carlos Ortiz
26. Ike Williams
25. Hearns
24. M. Spinks
23. Jofre
22. Sanchez
21. Lopez
20. Arguello
19. Napoles
18. Emile
17. Kid Gavilan
16. Roy Jones
15. Hagler
14, Canzoneri
13. Pernell
12. Ross
11. Louis
10. Monzon
9. Chavez
8. SRL
7. Archie
6. Pep
5. Duran
4. Ezzard
3. Ali
2. Armstrong
1. SRR

I like the list good to see you back mate, what was the food like in jail I hope you never dropped
the soap in the shower.

[Master]

[QUOTE=Fenster;1289657]Sweet Pea is ranked so high because...?

(question aimed at anyone not just micky shades)

Pernell did and achieved everything before Floyd did.

[fan johnny]

I still rank Floyd below Oscar, A prime Oscar would have beat Floyd.