Eddie Chambers explains why Wladimir Klitschko is an all-time great

[generalbulldog]

That's awesome that you hate Paul Spadafora though Lyle, do you also have a black friend? Man I had you all wrong. Gtfo with that shit.

Oh for fucks sake did you not see anyone called a neo-nazi just now for even saying Wlad is good? Miss that? And yes there are people who are critical of Floyd Mayweather but the people who say he is great but just not the greatest are treated exactly the same not seen that either?

Also 0 times...0 times has anyone ever implied that a poster liked a fighter for the sole purpose of being black....it's almost as if blacks couldn't be racist when cheering for a fighter.


If your view of me has changed fine but I'm not taking constant racial abuse from posters

Black people can never be racist. Only white people and white people only have that trait.

Damn, I have to say this place has become troll central.

[TitoFan]

How the hell did this become about race yet again?


Wlad could be transparent, with black extremities, white torso, red hair, and a yellow and purple polka-dotted face. He's still not an ATG, IMO. For several reasons:


1. He hasn't faced a decent challenger in years.
2. He was KTFO'ed three times in his earlier years, knockouts that went mostly unavenged.
3. These KTFO losses came at the hands of fighters of little reknown otherwise.
4. He's not above fouling in the worst way, to save his brittle chin. Even if it means stinking up the ring with clinching and mauling tactics. For this he mostly gets a free pass from the ref.
5. He hasn't had that "epic" fight, where he has to get off the canvas or come back to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.




I could give a shit what color and nationality he is.
He's as boring as drying paint.
And if he doesn't care, neither do I.

You can thank cyclone for bringing up race.

1. Ok I guess all those undefeated fighters he beat don't mean much.
2. He probably also lost a few as an amateur too, want to be a dear and go dig those up? The point is how he has recovered when his career was once on the line...and now he's 10 years unbeaten and a dominant champion. He avenged the loss to Brewster, Corrie Sanders is now sadly deceased, and Ross Purrity is retired (I think) but that fight happened when Wlad was in his early 20's. How many defeats did Mike Tyson avenge? Yeah, that's what I thought
3. Buster Douglas was well known, Oliver McCall, Hasim Rahman?
4. It's only a foul if the ref calls it
5. Get off the canvas to win....hmm I seem to recall Wlad beating Sam Peter having been knocked down 3 times....but that doesn't count because

Ok... we both agree this is "race-less". Beyond that...

1. Undefeated and still carrying a load of shit in your trunks on the way to the ring still doesn't mean much. Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash. It won't work.

2. No need to dig anything up. The point still stands. Your comparison to Tyson holds no water. After Tyson's defeat at the hands of Douglas, it was mostly downhill from there. Wlad has been champion for a long time.

3. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman are better known than Ross Purrity and Lamont Brewster. You won't agree 'cause it doesn't fit your agenda.

4. Typical answer. If it was Wlad getting fouled, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

5. Ahh... yes... Klitschko-Peter. Mentioned in boxing circles right along with Ali-Frazier, Norton-Holmes, Lewis-Vitali. What a fucking classic!!

[El Kabong]

Ok... we both agree this is "race-less". Beyond that...

1. Undefeated and still carrying a load of shit in your trunks on the way to the ring still doesn't mean much. Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash. It won't work.

2. No need to dig anything up. The point still stands. Your comparison to Tyson holds no water. After Tyson's defeat at the hands of Douglas, it was mostly downhill from there. Wlad has been champion for a long time.

3. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman are better known than Ross Purrity and Lamont Brewster. You won't agree 'cause it doesn't fit your agenda.

4. Typical answer. If it was Wlad getting fouled, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

5. Ahh... yes... Klitschko-Peter. Mentioned in boxing circles right along with Ali-Frazier, Norton-Holmes, Lewis-Vitali. What a fucking classic!!

1. Fine whatever, I forget that 100% of contenders all previous heavyweight champions fought were hall of famers

2. My comparison to Tyson holds a lot of water but you're looking at it from the angle of "Tyson was washed up" and not "Wladimir learned from his mistakes to become a better fighter", Tyson never learned, he did 1 thing he did it well but when he got in with a fighter who could counter what he did he lost. Maybe it was lack of training and cocaine but you look at Wladimir and tell me where's the motivation for Wlad to stay fit? Where's the motivation for him to train as hard as he does? But I suppose that's not important at all, doesn't fit your agenda all that well.

3. Rahman and McCall are better known because they picked off a fighter in/approaching his absolute PRIME

4. Wlad has been fouled NUMEROUS times he just decides to deal with it like an adult.

5. You said "Wlad hasn't had to get off the canvas to win", I corrected you and because you continue to be such a fucking cunt I'm going to block you as well.


Have a good one

[Master]

Wlad may become an ATG if he carries on defending and defeating all challengers he can only beat what is in front of him over 10 years. That consistency needs to be recognised because many fighters have failed to do that.

I am normally a fan of Wlad but the Povetkin fight really put me off and makes it hard to defend that performance and consider him an ATG.

[TitoFan]

Ok... we both agree this is "race-less". Beyond that...

1. Undefeated and still carrying a load of shit in your trunks on the way to the ring still doesn't mean much. Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash. It won't work.

2. No need to dig anything up. The point still stands. Your comparison to Tyson holds no water. After Tyson's defeat at the hands of Douglas, it was mostly downhill from there. Wlad has been champion for a long time.

3. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman are better known than Ross Purrity and Lamont Brewster. You won't agree 'cause it doesn't fit your agenda.

4. Typical answer. If it was Wlad getting fouled, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

5. Ahh... yes... Klitschko-Peter. Mentioned in boxing circles right along with Ali-Frazier, Norton-Holmes, Lewis-Vitali. What a fucking classic!!

1. Fine whatever, I forget that 100% of contenders all previous heavyweight champions fought were hall of famers

2. My comparison to Tyson holds a lot of water but you're looking at it from the angle of "Tyson was washed up" and not "Wladimir learned from his mistakes to become a better fighter", Tyson never learned, he did 1 thing he did it well but when he got in with a fighter who could counter what he did he lost. Maybe it was lack of training and cocaine but you look at Wladimir and tell me where's the motivation for Wlad to stay fit? Where's the motivation for him to train as hard as he does? But I suppose that's not important at all, doesn't fit your agenda all that well.

3. Rahman and McCall are better known because they picked off a fighter in/approaching his absolute PRIME

4. Wlad has been fouled NUMEROUS times he just decides to deal with it like an adult.

5. You said "Wlad hasn't had to get off the canvas to win", I corrected you and because you continue to be such a fucking cunt I'm going to block you as well.


Have a good one

So let me see if I got this straight. One who disagrees with you is a fucking cunt. Interesting. And here I was further up in your post getting set to agree with your assessment of how Wlad has stayed fit throughout his career and deserves kudos for that. But you're incapable of arguing like an adult, so all you deserve are the insults you normally get thrown your way. It's not like I was expecting anything else from you.


You too.

[Master]

Tito being called a cunt by your fellow poster is a badge of honour here in Saddo world. You just got made.

[TitoFan]

Tito being called a cunt by your fellow poster is a badge of honour here in Saddo world. You just got made.

Is a fucking cunt then just a higher rank and an even better badge of honour?

[Silkeyjoe]

Wlad clearly an all time great. You don't dominate a division for so long without being an all time great. Wlad has not ducked anyone like a lot of all time greats have. Put him in with any fighter of any era in his prime and he'd have a great chance.

[El Kabong]

So let me see if I got this straight. One who disagrees with you is a fucking cunt. Interesting. And here I was further up in your post getting set to agree with your assessment of how Wlad has stayed fit throughout his career and deserves kudos for that. But you're incapable of arguing like an adult, so all you deserve are the insults you normally get thrown your way. It's not like I was expecting anything else from you.


You too.

Not everyone who disagrees with me is a cunt. You act like a cunt by being generally dismissive of feats if ANYONE else accomplished you'd be all over celebrating how great the fighter was. You could have tried to reason out a response, you could have tried to support your stance with facts and evidence, but no, that's not your style, your style is to post this: "Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash"....yeah that's some top shelf argument you have there. Here let me back my point up by being a generally dismissive asshole...that's what you did and so I've called you a cunt and I've blocked you because you offer NOTHING. You want to discuss something then discuss it but to be that fucking dismissive....not saying "well Mormeck didn't deserve a title shot, neither did Leapai" and backing up an argument that maybe had parts I might have agreed with makes you a cunt of a poster, yes you are a cunt, you argue like a cunt, you act like a cunt, and therefore you have been blocked.

You want to say "Wlad HAS stayed in shape" and just throw that little crumb out thinking it would appease me after you've just shat over 100% of his competition for his entire career.....Ken Norton always stayed in decent shape too but you didn't see that cocksucker successfully defending title vs anyone and everyone now fucking did you? Kimbo Slice is in good shape, how is he not a champion right now? Or does it actually take TALENT to achieve the kind of success Wladimir has enjoyed in the division? But you could never admit that could you? You and a few other posters are all too pleased to sit back and bitch about how Wladimir fights....well if what Wlad does is so easy and so simple then how about you hop your ass up into the ring and prove me wrong. Prove to me that it takes no talent to accomplish what Wladimir has done regardless of opponent. If you could find 62 High School kids not even AMATEUR boxers that you could beat in a boxing match and 52 by KO/TKO then MAYBE you could have a point but the truth of the matter is Wladimir Klitschko is an All-Time Great Heavyweight Champion of the World, his career proves it and all you do is type bullshit....so continue on with the bullshit I'm done with you (now that I have explained in detail why you're a cunt and why you no longer deserve my attention).

[Beanz]

Dear Cyclone

STFU

[TitoFan]

So let me see if I got this straight. One who disagrees with you is a fucking cunt. Interesting. And here I was further up in your post getting set to agree with your assessment of how Wlad has stayed fit throughout his career and deserves kudos for that. But you're incapable of arguing like an adult, so all you deserve are the insults you normally get thrown your way. It's not like I was expecting anything else from you.


You too.

Not everyone who disagrees with me is a cunt. You act like a cunt by being generally dismissive of feats if ANYONE else accomplished you'd be all over celebrating how great the fighter was. You could have tried to reason out a response, you could have tried to support your stance with facts and evidence, but no, that's not your style, your style is to post this: "Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash"....yeah that's some top shelf argument you have there. Here let me back my point up by being a generally dismissive asshole...that's what you did and so I've called you a cunt and I've blocked you because you offer NOTHING. You want to discuss something then discuss it but to be that fucking dismissive....not saying "well Mormeck didn't deserve a title shot, neither did Leapai" and backing up an argument that maybe had parts I might have agreed with makes you a cunt of a poster, yes you are a cunt, you argue like a cunt, you act like a cunt, and therefore you have been blocked.

You want to say "Wlad HAS stayed in shape" and just throw that little crumb out thinking it would appease me after you've just shat over 100% of his competition for his entire career.....Ken Norton always stayed in decent shape too but you didn't see that cocksucker successfully defending title vs anyone and everyone now fucking did you? Kimbo Slice is in good shape, how is he not a champion right now? Or does it actually take TALENT to achieve the kind of success Wladimir has enjoyed in the division? But you could never admit that could you? You and a few other posters are all too pleased to sit back and bitch about how Wladimir fights....well if what Wlad does is so easy and so simple then how about you hop your ass up into the ring and prove me wrong. Prove to me that it takes no talent to accomplish what Wladimir has done regardless of opponent. If you could find 62 High School kids not even AMATEUR boxers that you could beat in a boxing match and 52 by KO/TKO then MAYBE you could have a point but the truth of the matter is Wladimir Klitschko is an All-Time Great Heavyweight Champion of the World, his career proves it and all you do is type bullshit....so continue on with the bullshit I'm done with you (now that I have explained in detail why you're a cunt and why you no longer deserve my attention).

#1 - You claimed to have blocked me a post earlier back, yet here you are again, reading my stuff and throwing insults my way. BTW, it's "ignored". Blocked is something only mods can do. Thank God your moronic self doesn't have those powers. And if you're going to ignore me, get on with it and quit promising to do it like a prepubescent high school kid.

#2 - Excuse me if I don't go throw myself off the nearest bridge over your insults and childish promises of blocking. Anyone who puts himself into a self-imposed exile over the harmless Miles, and threatens not to come back unless he stays away, is not to be taken too seriously.

#3 - I've been here long enough to know that you try to pass yourself off as some kind of smooth, accomplished, mature, bourbon-sipping Southerner, when in actually you're nothing more than an ignorant yahoo, lashing out in anger at anything that doesn't fit your agenda. You're the typical ugly American, the type that foreigners look down their noses at. But that's another story.

#4 - PLEASE go through with your "ignoring" threat. I've had enough scraps with you to know I do not enjoy your backward thinking. You're not worth the trouble.

#5 - Finally and most important… other people on here dump on Wlad like he stole their lunch money, and you hardly raise a word of protest. I do it and you resort to your moronic insults. So how about you take all of your childish insults and shove them right up your fucking ass.

[TitoFan]

But back to Wlad.

Regardless of how many calluses you may have in the back of your throat courtesy of Wladimir Klitschko, the fact of the matter remains that Wlad is hugely unpopular in the United States. Why? Anyone with at least half a brain, which excludes you, of course, knows that it's because Wlad fights like a scared little girl. He'll foul, he'll grapple, he'll make the fight as ugly as he possibly can. All while fighting in terror of getting his brittle chin touched. I don't give a flying fuck how many title defenses he's had. They've mostly been inferior opposition… and the fights themselves have been mostly forgettable. And nothing your white ignorant ass can say will ever change that fact. You can even hold your breath until you turn blue, like a little kid. It doesn't change facts. Most people are dying for Wlad to retire, so the division can return to being a competitive, exciting division with guys going for the knockout and providing real action to the fans. You defend every one of Wlad's fights, which absolutely proves my point of how much of a biased moron you are.

Dumb fuck...

[El Kabong]

[Freedom]

But back to Wlad.

Regardless of how many calluses you may have in the back of your throat courtesy of Wladimir Klitschko, the fact of the matter remains that Wlad is hugely unpopular in the United States. Why? Anyone with at least half a brain, which excludes you, of course, knows that it's because Wlad fights like a scared little girl. He'll foul, he'll grapple, he'll make the fight as ugly as he possibly can. All while fighting in terror of getting his brittle chin touched. I don't give a flying fuck how many title defenses he's had. They've mostly been inferior opposition… and the fights themselves have been mostly forgettable. And nothing your white ignorant ass can say will ever change that fact. You can even hold your breath until you turn blue, like a little kid. It doesn't change facts. Most people are dying for Wlad to retire, so the division can return to being a competitive, exciting division with guys going for the knockout and providing real action to the fans. You defend every one of Wlad's fights, which absolutely proves my point of how much of a biased moron you are.

Dumb fuck...

Mayweather is defense-first, yet he's popular. Ward and Hopkins hold a lot, so did Ali. Jack Johnson had a low KO ratio and an very defensive style. The name of the game is "hit and not be hit".

[Hulk]

So let me see if I got this straight. One who disagrees with you is a fucking cunt. Interesting. And here I was further up in your post getting set to agree with your assessment of how Wlad has stayed fit throughout his career and deserves kudos for that. But you're incapable of arguing like an adult, so all you deserve are the insults you normally get thrown your way. It's not like I was expecting anything else from you.


You too.

Not everyone who disagrees with me is a cunt. You act like a cunt by being generally dismissive of feats if ANYONE else accomplished you'd be all over celebrating how great the fighter was. You could have tried to reason out a response, you could have tried to support your stance with facts and evidence, but no, that's not your style, your style is to post this: "Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash"....yeah that's some top shelf argument you have there. Here let me back my point up by being a generally dismissive asshole...that's what you did and so I've called you a cunt and I've blocked you because you offer NOTHING. You want to discuss something then discuss it but to be that fucking dismissive....not saying "well Mormeck didn't deserve a title shot, neither did Leapai" and backing up an argument that maybe had parts I might have agreed with makes you a cunt of a poster, yes you are a cunt, you argue like a cunt, you act like a cunt, and therefore you have been blocked.

You want to say "Wlad HAS stayed in shape" and just throw that little crumb out thinking it would appease me after you've just shat over 100% of his competition for his entire career.....Ken Norton always stayed in decent shape too but you didn't see that cocksucker successfully defending title vs anyone and everyone now fucking did you? Kimbo Slice is in good shape, how is he not a champion right now? Or does it actually take TALENT to achieve the kind of success Wladimir has enjoyed in the division? But you could never admit that could you? You and a few other posters are all too pleased to sit back and bitch about how Wladimir fights....well if what Wlad does is so easy and so simple then how about you hop your ass up into the ring and prove me wrong. Prove to me that it takes no talent to accomplish what Wladimir has done regardless of opponent. If you could find 62 High School kids not even AMATEUR boxers that you could beat in a boxing match and 52 by KO/TKO then MAYBE you could have a point but the truth of the matter is Wladimir Klitschko is an All-Time Great Heavyweight Champion of the World, his career proves it and all you do is type bullshit....so continue on with the bullshit I'm done with you (now that I have explained in detail why you're a cunt and why you no longer deserve my attention).

I once was a "fucking cunt" too, Tito.


But, now Lyle and I are cunts in arms!


Time heals all wounds and I believe you two will settle your differences in the future.


There's a handful of true cunts around here that us run of the mill cunts need to align ourselves against and be careful not to fall victim to their cuntiness.