UK - Council and European Election

[Dia bando]

Master I feel people don't trust politicians, what do people do when they don't think theses people
don't deserve there vote,! simple they vote for no one action speaks, louder than words many
false promises the voters here Frankly people have had enough.
This Country is turning into the land of super markets, because that's all that seems to be built
very few houses, and of course very few well paid jobs.
The recession has hit US ALL, Tory's just make cuts weather we are in recession or not that's the
nature of the beast.
We must remember the people who make decisions, are well healed millionaires out of touch
with you and me. I would love to see theses shit houses live on £56 a week, poverty is rife
food banks in a modern world it's a fucking disgrace.

[Master]

Then you have to vote to get change otherwise you can not moan if you do not vote.

[Xwetie]

Is the whole Europe voting tomorrow? we doing it as well. I can't be bother voting cus shit will not change anyway. They say one thing and turn out another,

[Master]

Our elections were on Thursday.

[Xwetie]

Our elections were on Thursday.

Our ends tomorrow i think we had this week to finish voting.

[Dia bando]

Then you have to vote to get change otherwise you can not moan if you do not vote.

Yes I agree but you can see why people will not vote, people fought to have a vote and people seem
to forget that. Yes mate people should vote.

[Gandalf]

I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

[Dark Lord Al]

Seems many people are sick of labour / conservatives which is reflected in the voting I think.
My local council Hulton is one of the areas in the north Bolton area that UKIP got in as council officials.

[Beanz]

I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

[Dark Lord Al]

I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

Im puzzled why you think every body in the UK cares at all about Romanians and Bulgarians etc.
You may care which is fine , however personally I don't care , nor do I want them living anywhere near me , that is my opinion. We are both entitled to it.
Also UKIP haven't hoodwinked me , its more both labour and Conservatives are doing nothing but giving away our country . Im hoping it kicks the government up the arse and they actually listen to peoples views from now on.

[Beanz]

I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

Im puzzled why you think every body in the UK cares at all about Romanians and Bulgarians etc.
You may care which is fine , however personally I don't care , nor do I want them living anywhere near me , that is my opinion. We are both entitled to it.
Also UKIP haven't hoodwinked me , its more both labour and Conservatives are doing nothing but giving away our country . Im hoping it kicks the government up the arse and they actually listen to peoples views from now on.

I don't think that most people in the UK care at all about Romanians and Hungarians, but that is clearly something that worries UKIP. Immigration and it seems particularly that from new members of the European Union from eastern Europe is the ONLY ISSUE that UKIP have campaigned on. It makes up the entirety of their manifesto. Farrage himself has admitted that the previous 400 odd page document they campaigned on was full of meaningless drivel. Nigel was asked what the difference between having a German family (like his German wife) and a Romanian Family moving in next door would be and he clearly admitted he would not want Romanians living next door. That is clearly a distinction made on race and represents the thin end of an extremely ugly wedge. I will not make that distinction because frankly I think it is un British. Unlike the Nazis in the war we treated German prisoners of war with respect whilst they gassed people to death because of their ethnicity. Whilst Farrage who is clearly no more English than Napoleon might not be advocating the gas chamber he is clearly singling out ethnicities as different and capitalising on the public's fear to get into power.

What does he actually stand for though ? will he make the city pay back the taxpayer what it swindled them out of ? Will he lower taxes for the working man? will he empower small British businesses and reverse the privatisation of public services ? No he will not so he is not offering a real alternative. What happens if we leave the EU ? Do we have to send Lidl back home and all the Polish dentists and Romanian health workers? Do we return the European grants that have stopped British companies, farms and heritage sites going into liquidation and rack and ruin ?

Europe may not be the answer to all of Britain's unique national problems but It is also not the evil bogeyman that UKIP and others make it out to be. I can fully understand people becoming frustrated and fed up with the conventional three parties campaigning on one promise and then governing with another diametrically opposed position when they get into power, but for me there are a host of more viable alternatives to UKIP if people want to register a protest vote. There are many, many parties outside of the top three.

[Gandalf]

I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

Firstly, I will say that I haven't been hoodwinked by anyone. Recent articles show that the numbers of people from Bulgaria and Romania for the first three months of the year is already substantial. Off my head something around 30,000 which as a comparison is about the same as the number of teachers here all with degrees and from developed nations after 30 years. A big difference - 3 months and 30,000! Now like I always said, let's look at the numbers a year or even a couple of years from now. Allowing uncontrolled immigration without any checks on quality will bring a flood and thus all the negative social consequences that come with it. Controlled immigration is the point.

In terms of me not voting. Well, as someone who doesn't contribute to the system I don't think I need to vote and especially when I now view the entire system as illegitimate. A system with a monarch, a parasitic political class, first past the post, banking corruption, economic apartheid etc is not democratic. Instead my views are something more anarchic and I see the system more as a city led occupation than anything else. Just as Israel builds settlements, we import immigrants and don't even build new settlements thus reducing wages, creating resentment, property bubbles, and a new feudalism with permanent apartheid economic systems. I don't think taking part in or supporting such a system is rational. Voting makes them think they have a mandate and they don't. I want nothing to do with it and I have taken the most dramatic steps to show that. I am angry about the choices I have had to make and the choices they continue to make to make it impossible for young people to succeed. It is worse than ever and they do nothing to rectify the mess that they have made.

Admittedly a vote for the Greens would be a vote in favor of policies I prefer, but my one vote from nowhere is tiny and like I say, the way I look at it is leave me alone and I will leave you alone. The amount of people voting for them would suggest that most don't think like me or you and therefore they are getting what they deserve by validating Westminster cronies. The rise of UKIP is a kind of waking up, but it is a 2 policy party only. Immigration and Europe is not enough when the rest is Conservatism. If I was living there, I would be more active and trying, but instead, I am simply trying to be what you term 'the good immigrant' and after years of wavering am moving on, so please don't attack me as though my vote is anything. If I vote Green it's still the same percentage point and nothing changes. It is cynical and bleak, but it's honest.

[Dark Lord Al]

Politicians all talk drivel im just hoping someone does something about immigration , as we are full. The conservatives and labour put use in the mess we are , they talk and do nothing. UKIP'S rise in the number of votes is because the rest have failed us big time.
Looks like the French etc have voted to stop immigration also.

[Beanz]