UK - Council and European Election

[Beanz]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

[Dark Lord Al]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

[Beanz]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

[Dark Lord Al]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

[Beanz]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.

I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.

[Dark Lord Al]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.

I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.

You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?

[Beanz]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.

I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.

You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?

Why don't you explain what you actually mean ? You don't want anybody from abroad coming to England anymore whether they are from Europe or anywhere else in the world. Whether they are a refugee or a migrant worker unless they have a large nest egg and a skill or trade ? is that right ? only huge numbers of migrants come here with skills and trades and set up businesses and employ people. Those people actually contribute more to the system than they take out but you choose to never mention them as though they do not exist.

You can call me a do gooder and put your fingers in your ears but that is the truth. I went to Italy as an unskilled worker because I could not find work in England just as Europeans come from abroad to work here, that is how a free market capitalist society works. English leave to live in France and Spain in their droves and the French and many Spanish don't like it, but unless European law changes they are not doing anything wrong. You can not come to the UK from Europe with no job and claim benefits so how are we a fucking free for all for the rest of the world?

[Gandalf]

'You say England for the English and so you sound like the BNP' or something like that and it gets fluttered in my ears that 'Hmm, maybe you are not proud of your country'. You know what, I am more English than any of these immigrants. I would come home and state a few sentences in my lovely dulcet tones and prove it in a moment. However, I won't. It has nothing to do with not believing in my Englishness which is actually my core. I am more English than any immigrant could ever pretend to be. Again, I know that from experience. Without comparisons and only home grown delusion, you have no idea.

[Gandalf]

My point being that the place needs a revolution and is illegitimate. For 30 years there has been a war on the English and for it to be spun that I am with the problem, when I simply tried to survive as a young person and was eaten up like most and it has got a lot worse.

I don't swan about anywhere. Do you think I do this for fun? Amusement? I am not there, so I want young people to be free. I want the young people to see that the system is a lie, and that people like me were always telling the truth, and that you Greenbeanz, who teach them, are telling porkies. I have no vested interest in saying that the British simply have a shite University system. Same here too in some regards and I say as much.

[Dia bando]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

Plenty of room we are not building houses mate, and what are being built people can't afford them
more people means more infrastructure, our roads are in a shit state we need more Hospitals, Schools,
and of course jobs. 64 million is a big population for a small Inland, we should be growing more of
our own food to support our needs.
To many people for our Inland I say we need skilled immigrants, the poor of east Europe do not benefit
GB as there money is sent back to there home country.
The only winners are the employers who use the excuse, to drop there wage bill by 2 or 3 £ per hour,
I no this as friends of mine have lost there jobs, because of this it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth
remember people will vote Ukip , because they feel this is unjust so I can not blame them one bit.
UKip are not for me but they sure do suit some people,! and it comes as no shock they gain support,
myself I would not give UKip the time of day, but one thing all the other party's have had to take stock
and change there policy's.

[Gandalf]

You are just being realistic, unlike Greenbeanz. His vote has no seat in reality and is reacting so. I don't blame him, he is a decent person. He is a very decent man.

[Dia bando]

You are just being realistic, unlike Greenbeanz. His vote has no seat in reality and is reacting so. I don't blame him, he is a decent person. He is a very decent man.

Yes I am being realistic I only make comment, on what I see were I live Miles and our vote
is our right, Beanz is a decent guy and I respect his views and others.
This is a debate and we all may learn something, this subject is very complicated and I feel
no quick fix will be found.

[Master]

Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

[Dark Lord Al]

Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

Still you fail to answer the question , there are immigrants living in parks and begging on streets , I feel this is unacceptable , if you don't , I repeats if its a park where your kids play or the street where you live , do you want them there ? because it is happening right now to others , where they live.
By the way I don't care for refugees or immigrants we don't want anymore of either , as a taxpayer I don't want to give these people a penny.
This isn't about the past , Asians / afro Caribbean's etc. , this is about now I don't want anymore.

[Master]

Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

Still you fail to answer the question , there are immigrants living in parks and begging on streets , I feel this is unacceptable , if you don't , I repeats if its a park where your kids play or the street where you live , do you want them there ? because it is happening right now to others , where they live.
By the way I don't care for refugees or immigrants we don't want anymore of either , as a taxpayer I don't want to give these people a penny.
This isn't about the past , Asians / afro Caribbean's etc. , this is about now I don't want anymore.

There is immigration, always has been and always will be. There are more people leaving than coming. We have an aging population and need people to pay for peoples pensions. I am sure these immigrants do not want to beg and sleep in parks but it seems they have no alternative.