Canelo/Pacquiao at 150?! Absurd

[Beanflicker]

How lame is that? Catch weights, ugh.

I'll fight Manny Pacquiao myself, but the stipulation is he has to meet me at HW.

[beenKOed]

How lame is that? Catch weights, ugh.

I'll fight Manny Pacquiao myself, but the stipulation is he has to meet me at HW.

Haha! My perfect suicide note.
Manny Pacquiao, fight me at 180.

[Rantcatrat]

Catch weight fights are fine in some instances, but in this case, I don't think Canelo can get under 154 easily. If Pacquiao is too small to fight at 154, that's fine, stay at 147 or below.

Don't let Floyd off so easily though. He made Canelo fight at a catchweight and bailed on a catchweight for Marquez. A-sides do this stuff all the time.

By the way, I think they should keep Manny away from punchers if they want him to win. Canelo is a bad match-up for him for that reason.

I also just read Roach prefers Danny Garcia.

[IamInuit]

Catch weight fights are fine in some instances, but in this case, I don't think Canelo can get under 154 easily. If Pacquiao is too small to fight at 154, that's fine, stay at 147 or below.

Don't let Floyd off so easily though. He made Canelo fight at a catchweight and bailed on a catchweight for Marquez. A-sides do this stuff all the time.

By the way, I think they should keep Manny away from punchers if they want him to win. Canelo is a bad match-up for him for that reason.

I also just read Roach prefers Danny Garcia.

Roach has a pretty clear modus operandi and its not me saying so, its the empirical evidence. One would think that if a guy was a true pound for found fighter that he would want to challenge the bigger man at his best, not his worst. Armstrong never asked Ross to drop and Henry weighed in under 135 for that welter challenge, Greb never asked Tunney to drop a loaf. If a division is to big then stay out of it. I don't mind the odd catchweight super fight either but not for titles. Those things are watered down enough.

Now this would not be a title fight but it would not be a super fight either if Alvarez made 150. It would be a seal clubbing, reminiscent of the Oscar fight and about as meaningful. Manny should just go to 140 and quit expecting everyone to shrink for him. It taints every accomplishment its involved in.

[bradlee180]

How lame is that? Catch weights, ugh.

I'll fight Manny Pacquiao myself, but the stipulation is he has to meet me at HW.

Pacquiao'd still kick your heavyweight @$$, either in the ring or on the street.

You'd be gassing after 3 minutes and lay down on your own volition.
It wouldn't be like Rocky, "Get up, one more rd, get up 'cause Mickey loves you!"

Nope, you'd go down on your own, son...

[Beanflicker]

How lame is that? Catch weights, ugh.

I'll fight Manny Pacquiao myself, but the stipulation is he has to meet me at HW.

Pacquiao'd still kick your heavyweight @$$, either in the ring or on the street.

You'd be gassing after 3 minutes and lay down on your own volition.
It wouldn't be like Rocky, "Get up, one more rd, get up 'cause Mickey loves you!"

Nope, you'd go down on your own, son...

Nah he'd get killed on the street. He only practices boxing, which is a limited fighting system. I do muay thai so I use all limbs hahaha

[bradlee180]

I don't think anyone believes that Beanflicker could beat up Manny Pacquiao.

You don't know if Pacquiao does just boxing. I thought he did some training in Yaw-Yan.
There's a helluva lot of Filipino martial arts systems.

Never assume because it makes an ass of u and me...

[Spicoli]

Cash grab diva match. We're not really this hard up for marketable fights are we. That or promoters taking short cuts and in the case of fighters not making weight, all not doing their jobs.

Its almost a "distract the monkies" move....meanwhile is there any truth that K-9 Bundrage is going to get a shot at Molina and not Charlo

[bradlee180]

Boxing's not run in a professional manner.
It's a corrupt sport, rotten to the core, if sport it even can be called.

Anyway, we're in an era where World Championships don't mean near as much as they used to. The fights that'll make the most money are what gets made.
The fans will put up with any hose-job and keep coming back.

Anyway, fighters ought to realize just winning ain't enough. This is supposed to be entertainment.
With the exception of Mayweather, if a fighter stinks out a joint with a boring win, the masses won't pay to watch him.

People expect too much of Pacquiao.
Dude could still easily make 140 lbs, he's only about 148 lbs on fight night in the ring.
And while he's still good, he ain't what he used to be. Pacquiao's phenomenal peak ended after the 2010 Margarito fight. It's been a slow, gradual deterioration with him though.
Other guys still have all their abilities in 1 fight, and show up with literally nothing the next fight out.

Canelo?
For $#!t's sake, people are expecting a 148 pounder to fight a Light-Heavy 174 pounder.

And that's the truth, Alvarez weighed 174 lbs on fight night agaisnt Angulo a couple of months ago.

26 pounds difference.
5 weight-classes apart!

But yet, No catch-weights, no catchweights !

[bradlee180]

Pacquiao was 151 lbs on fight-night HBO's unofficial scale against Bradley last month.
Alvarez was 174 lbs on fight-night on Showtime's unofficial scale against Angulo 2 months ago.

Welter - Pacquiao
Light-Middle
Middle
Super-Middle
Light-Heavy - Canelo Alvarez

This $#!t's ridiculous, y'know, effin' day-before-weigh-in $#!t.
What a stupid idea that was when they did that in the mid-80s.

[Spicoli]

Boxing's not run in a professional manner.
It's a corrupt sport, rotten to the core, if sport it even can be called.

Anyway, we're in an era where World Championships don't mean near as much as they used to. The fights that'll make the most money are what gets made.
The fans will put up with any hose-job and keep coming back.

Anyway, fighters ought to realize just winning ain't enough. This is supposed to be entertainment.
With the exception of Mayweather, if a fighter stinks out a joint with a boring win, the masses won't pay to watch him.

People expect too much of Pacquiao.
Dude could still easily make 140 lbs, he's only about 148 lbs on fight night in the ring.
And while he's still good, he ain't what he used to be. Pacquiao's phenomenal peak ended after the 2010 Margarito fight. It's been a slow, gradual deterioration with him though.
Other guys still have all their abilities in 1 fight, and show up with literally nothing the next fight out.

Canelo?
For $#!t's sake, people are expecting a 148 pounder to fight a Light-Heavy 174 pounder.

And that's the truth, Alvarez weighed 174 lbs on fight night agaisnt Angulo a couple of months ago.

26 pounds difference.
5 weight-classes apart!

But yet, No catch-weights, no catchweights !

I think some guys and the ones who can afford it train with consideration to coming in heavy nowadays. The fine, the weight is a manipulation and calculated. Broner v Escobedo was a hoodwink and a farce. One guy busts his ass to make weight, the little known guy clamoring for a upset...and the fat tart star knew all along he was blowing weight not once, but twice. Meanwhile Escobedo was needing to literally eat a full stuff crust pizza to pack on in the A.M. All catchweights do is blur and obscure any restriction or guidelines left in this circus. We complain about 8, 16 weight classes but now its more like 20 plus on any given rotation, often a mere lb being the point of contention as with Garcia and Matthysse. Loser keeps a trinket, loser keeps a ranking, its basically like trying to have it both ways. When I think catchweight I think the very best in one division facing another and a meet in the middle. But now its a large portion of ego stroking, network dealings to keep two "stars" happy-willing and tunnel vision strictly on name value but not a lot to best of the best. Alvarez has no business...well no ring business..being below 154. Manny is maxed at 144-147? and being stung early by wild man Bradley. Its a terd of a "match" if they propose to float it.

[Ron Swanson]

Boxing's not run in a professional manner.
It's a corrupt sport, rotten to the core, if sport it even can be called.

Anyway, we're in an era where World Championships don't mean near as much as they used to. The fights that'll make the most money are what gets made.
The fans will put up with any hose-job and keep coming back.

Anyway, fighters ought to realize just winning ain't enough. This is supposed to be entertainment.
With the exception of Mayweather, if a fighter stinks out a joint with a boring win, the masses won't pay to watch him.

People expect too much of Pacquiao.
Dude could still easily make 140 lbs, he's only about 148 lbs on fight night in the ring.
And while he's still good, he ain't what he used to be. Pacquiao's phenomenal peak ended after the 2010 Margarito fight. It's been a slow, gradual deterioration with him though.
Other guys still have all their abilities in 1 fight, and show up with literally nothing the next fight out.

Canelo?
For $#!t's sake, people are expecting a 148 pounder to fight a Light-Heavy 174 pounder.

And that's the truth, Alvarez weighed 174 lbs on fight night agaisnt Angulo a couple of months ago.

26 pounds difference.
5 weight-classes apart!

But yet, No catch-weights, no catchweights !

You've had some good posts in this thread but this is absolute garbage. There is no point in a Canelo fight at 150. Canelo can't fight at 150. Manny can so don't make him the victim.

There is a long history that does nothing to hide what's going on. Clottey, sure we can fight him at 147, Cotto well we have to make that 145, Shane "can you make 142?". Manny has been a phenomenon but don't hide from the fact Roach has been blatant with attempts to handicap opponents. And just how handicapped they have to be varies by the perceived threat. Just be honest, this isn't even an attack on Manny it's an attack on the sport and Roach in particular.

150 would be a farce. Canelo would have no speed or power. He'd be gassed in the 1st round like ODLH was. This nonsense needs to stop. If you want to fight someone fight them, don't decide just how much you need to weaken them and fight them under BS restrictions.

If you can't fight them at their weight don't fight them it's simple. And people playing the little guy is the victim card are either liars or ignorant. Little men have moved up with great success all through boxing history. People losing weight have historically struggled. The bigger guy shrinking is without a doubt the victim.

[Beanflicker]

I don't think anyone believes that Beanflicker could beat up Manny Pacquiao.

I wouldn't even be so bold as to say I'd whip Pacquaio in a muay thai match.

But if Pacquaio was made to gain 50lbs of just bulk and fat, I'd kill him, assuming he didn't die of a heart attack while gaining the weight.

Job biscuit (muay thai > boxing)

Eh! Eh!

[bradlee180]

I don't think anyone believes that Beanflicker could beat up Manny Pacquiao.

I wouldn't even be so bold as to say I'd whip Pacquaio in a muay thai match.

But if Pacquaio was made to gain 50lbs of just bulk and fat, I'd kill him, assuming he didn't die of a heart attack while gaining the weight.

Job biscuit (muay thai > boxing)

Eh! Eh!

He doesn't need to put on any weight to whup your @$$..

I don't believe he'd have time to break a sweat taking you out.

[fan johnny]

Wait... didn't Floyd just fight this guy at 152? what is the difference? and don't say 2 lbs 150 is a starting point.