Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeanz View Post
Kirkland you are full of yourself and even fuller of shit. My personal experience of Immigrants form Eastern Europe on a one to one level is my friend from Lithuania who came here about 5 years ago and now has built his one man business up to the point that he now employs three English people, two of whom he trained up from promising unemployed artists into fully qualified and highly skilled tattoo artists.

You will dismiss that as not representative of most Eastern European immigrants but the point is you and Miles are suggesting that all Immigration is about taking benefits and jobs not creating them and paying taxes. You are clearly just presenting one side of a much more complex argument.
Personal experiences aren't relevant. The plural of anecdote is not data. Even a lefty organisation (either Unison or the GMB or one of the big unions) recently published a report saying that uncontrolled immigration compresses wages and cuts earnings of those at the lower end of the scale by about 15%. (It's actually a bit more than that.)



I'm not against immigration. I'm fine with it. It's just that immigration should be controlled and regulated by the government so it doesn't destroy the earning capabilities of existing Brits. We should only let in the numbers of people we actually need and not swamp the market with vast amounts of unskilled and semi-skilled labour that reduces income for the majority of the population, greatly increases competition for housing, employment, healthcare, education and other social services.

And we should definitely not let anybody in that there isn't a job for or who can't support themselves straight away. And all the current parties after these elections now agree with that(or at least say they do). They just can't enforce it as it's against European law. We're not allowed to control immigration or our own borders and that's the main reason why UKIP won last week.