UK - Council and European Election

[Dark Lord Al]

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£64, 000 to be a Euro MEP

A parliament in which UKIP members generally abstain from voting

So where is your anger and ire about these spongers wasting your hard earned taxes sitting at home on the arses whilst you go to work ?

I don't agree with raping your wives , however some sound policies there.
My favourite MP is Ivor "Jest Ye Not Madame " Biggun

[Master]

Amuses me that UKIP want to get out of Europe but are more powerful and have more representation as MEP's.

[Gandalf]

It is currently a cess pool of a country and that is no slight on the ordinary hard working of which there are tens of millions. They have been trained correctly, done the right things and are paying for it all top to bottom. Many of them probably quite agree with me on issues such as immigration, Europe, welfare queens and the like. I attack corruption from top to bottom with no exceptions. If you cannot see that I simply hate sloth and abuse of the system no matter who does it, then there is little I can do. Calling me the enemy and a cunt is not realistic and is clearly a mis-allocation of resources. However, I think you are smarter than that and so should stop calling me a cunt.

I am not trying to destroy Britain which I have a love/hate relationship with. I am not the Queen, Osborne, Vickie Pollard, Carney, Gary Barlow, or Jimmy Savile. I don't hurt my country. When I make attacks it is on the things that I don't like. There are many things that I do like, but I am not going to preface an attack on the bizarre breeding patterns of British teenagers or bankers with a declaration of love for The Smiths and rolling fields of green. You should know by now what things I am proud of and what things appall me. I am quite predictable on these issues and it gets tiresome for it to always boil down to 'You are just a cunt' or 'You are the enemy' which is crazy town talk. I am not preaching sharia law on street corners, I am not dictating economic apartheid on the hard working British. My arguments are because I think the hard working British are being let down from top to bottom by a system that is rotten and abusive. I stand by my arguments and think they are correct and in the interests of British people.

I know the statistics on the points I make and that is why I make the arguments. Nothing I say on issues comes from a vacuum. I read and formulate my opinions from data. When it comes to single teenage Mums I don't care if the numbers are falling slightly as compared to previous years. What concerns me is the simple fact that compared to most countries in the world Britain (and the US) have serious problems with this issue. On immigration, I look at the data and the experiment of Europe and likewise see serious problems. There are many problems and that is where my language such as 'a cess pool' comes from. There are serious issues in almost every aspects of British society and it appalls and frustrates me. Not so much for myself because I am okay, but because I do have empathy and because I can see the horror from afar.

You seem to have some image of a madman from afar taking some kind of pleasure in demise, but the opposite is true. I am ferocious in my arguments because of a frustration about the system that currently is. It is in my interests that the UK does well, but I am not delusional enough to think that I can change it. All I can do is state a point of view and that I do. I always make comparisons and though there are cultural aspects of the UK, I wouldn't mind seeing around me, there are many aspects here that I think would improve the UK. I never see teenage Mums and immigration and banking is somewhat controlled which are positives.

Anyway, sorry for saying bad words back. I usually get very angry when called a cunt and hear the empathy argument. I don't understand why I am supposed to have such empathy for people who should know better in an age of sex education, for bankers involved in derivatives scams, for a monarchy that is the biggest welfare scam. I don't do these things, so I don't know why I should feel for these people when what they do is at the expense of the other people I do actually have some empathy for which is the ordinary working person. You can't just feel sorry for everyone and make excuses for everyone, but at the same time label me the enemy. It is really unfair, when I am not actually hurting anyone.

[Gandalf]

The one point I will concede is that by not voting at all, I am extracting that one tiny bit of influence I have. It is selfish to say that I won't vote and therefore they should just leave me alone. It is a point I been thinking about a lot in recent days actually. In my defense though, 66% of the people in the UK actually made that same decision. It is much easier for them to register and vote, but I probably should try. I know I am more politically aware than many.

The relationship I have with my country is a difficult one and I am very critical, but I think the criticism is very valid. When I use angry terms like 'cess pool' it is no more angry than personal invectives of the most incendiary kind quite often used against me. 'Cess pool' is quite innocent in comparison and is used in the general too. China as a hell hole is quite apt for their environmental nightmare, but it doesn't mean I hate Chinese people who are quite nice face to face. We should be beyond this kind of discussion really and I will leave it at that.

[Beanz]

Miles you have no interest in facts you deal only in hyperbole. I live here everyday and I do not recognise the bleak horrible picture that you paint of a cesspool of a country. You are quite obviously bitter and deluded. I love my country and love being English. Your whole doomy solopilstic maudlin angst is much like your hero Morrisey, you obviously have your reasons and are entitled to your opinion,(and it is merely that, an opinion not even based on facts) but in Mozza's case it is nothing more that an indication of the fraud that he has become or perhaps always was. The miserable cunt that he is, like Connery, lives outside of the England that he supposedly loved because he thinks the Chinese are a sub species, hates immigration and most tellingly of all wants England to never change and be some dull backwards Northern shit hole form the brown 1970's so that he can continue to moan about it. I will not subscribe to that attitude or the lazy thinking that prompts it.

The horror you speak of from afar, is I am afraid, mostly your own terror at growing old and more conservative by the day. You see teenage mums as a huge problem in Britain because you project that image from your own prejudices and literally turn away from all the facts that contradict such a myth. Life is hard, and unimaginably so for many people less fortunate than you or I, but Britain is still a much more desirable place to live than many places the world over.

[Gandalf]

There is nothing deluded about what I say though, Greenbeanz.

It is commonly observed in the mainstream media that Britain has become corrupted in most areas of the establishment. I see even at Bilderberg we have the Chancellor AND vice Chancellor attending the same top secret meeting and Balls even getting held up outside carrying swathes of documents. Now, what on earth are these people doing behind closed doors? These are supposedly opponents, but it is easy to connect the dots when you are supremely deluded. From central banking (ZIRP and QE), to single parents, to housing bubbles, to illegal wars, to destroying the middle class, to immigration, to student debt, to the police state, to expanding national debt etc. If you don't think these things are real and serious, then what can I say? Many of these things did not exist as they do when you were young and they were just getting going when I was young and now they are in full flow.

It is a nightmare, and for you not to think it is massive and serious, would suggest that maybe you are a little bit deluded yourself. I am awake and I am observing closely. None of those issues above are with me and becoming conservative. I am fine with the aspects of myself that are becoming conservative, but that has nothing to do with a police state, or young people with a lifetime of servitude, or illegal wars, or immigration control. Making it personal with me is just a distraction. I am not your enemy. It doesn't matter where I am politically as I don't care about such divides. The people who are doing the things listed in the policies above are the enemy.

I am left and right and a bit in between. I am like testicles dangling merry and free, but I know that is a penis in front and I don't like its form (note: attempt at humour)

[Master]

You were born and bred in this country so show appreciation. The issues you talk about happen everywhere even where you live now.

[Gandalf]

You were born and bred in this country so show appreciation. The issues you talk about happen everywhere even where you live now.

No, Master. I have to disagree. I was raised to believe that the world of 1984 was a fiction and not a reality. That fact alone astonishes me. It has become reality and I won't sugarcoat it.

The UK (and America) are demented and the logic of the world says as much. I like cricket, but that doesn't mean that I am going to lie about immigration, property, and taxes. The Brits are being fleeced and should be angry. There is nothing deluded in a pure wave of rage amongst the youth.

[Beanz]

You were born and bred in this country so show appreciation. The issues you talk about happen everywhere even where you live now.

No, Master. I have to disagree. I was raised to believe that the world of 1984 was a fiction and not a reality. That fact alone astonishes me. It has become reality and I won't sugarcoat it.

The UK (and America) are demented and the logic of the world says as much. I like cricket, but that doesn't mean that I am going to lie about immigration, property, and taxes. The Brits are being fleeced and should be angry. There is nothing deluded in a pure wave of rage amongst the youth.

Stop already. Stop telling people what they should be. I work here in the UK with young people and the pure wave of rage you talk about is yours and yours alone. Of course Governments are corrupt and have been long before either of us were born but that does not mean you can fill an entire thread about the recent elections with your own personal ranting on things, which in reality, have very little bearing on your own life. Stop dismissing other people's conclusions and opinions simply because of your 'research' or on the strength of 'data' you have collected whilst all the time completely ignoring the facts that Ryanman and myself have presented to you.

I am sorry if I have attacked you personally but your whole attitude is preposterous and is impossible to meet with rationality. You are mixing up a carefully considered opinion that is very different from your own, one that reacts in understandable shock at people's unwitting acceptance of a political party father to the right and more conservative than the corrupt elite funded Tory party in power, with an unthinking naivety and acceptance of the presented facts by traditional media. I am not a dullard or a sheep and have not only been aware of, and created work in response to, secret societies like the Bilderbergs and Rothschilds, but have also highlighted worrying trends like covert Government and company surveillance literally, years ago.

I will not be party to remaining silent while UKIP seek to increase taxes on the poor and defend those further to the right than the current Government and corrupt bankers that have already lined their own pockets at our expense. I will not shut up when they seek to dismantle the NHS. I will not take the easy road of condemning and over simplifying the facts by blaming all Britain's troubles on Immigration and single mothers whilst the fat cats lick the cream off their paws and sit at home on a £64,000 salary instead of defending Britain and it's workers in the Parliament they have been elected to.

Without wanting to needlessly insult you, You sound like a little boy who has just discovered that the Punch and Judy puppets are just that, puppets and that it is a man who has been saying

"thats the way to do it"

and bashing a sausage stealing crocodile with a truncheon all along. You are eager to tell all the other boys but they already know, and have done for some time.


You say you do not believe in patriotism or any such silly jingoistic nonsense and then go on to draw clear distinctions between not only nationalities, but classes of people and even sexes, as though everyone should behave like you, and all be university educated, and get married but have no kids, and if they are in anyway different then they must be irresponsible or lazy or stealing the jobs of others.

Go and start your own thread about how England has disappointed you by not remaining frozen in time like a mouldy sausage roll from Gregs, suspended in formaldehyde like some limp reminder of a golden age that never was and an England that never existed.

[Gandalf]

I've always told the truth. I don't owe you any special explanations. From top to bottom I will spill blood. I don't care less about popular appeal or fun, I care about being honest at the point in time. If it isn't what you like then so be it. If it is, then so be it. You can play these games about enemies or cunts, but I think it is pathetic. And it makes me angry. I don't like it.

I'm not playing a game. I am annoyed with the UK, but I do still have interests just as strong as yours. That is my anger. It is seemingly impossible to educate these people.

[Beanz]

I've always told the truth. I don't owe you any special explanations. From top to bottom I will spill blood. I don't care less about popular appeal or fun, I care about being honest at the point in time. If it isn't what you like then so be it. If it is, then so be it. You can play these games about enemies or cunts, but I think it is pathetic. And it makes me angry. I don't like it.

I'm not playing a game. I am annoyed with the UK, but I do still have interests just as strong as yours. That is my anger. It is seemingly impossible to educate these people.

The difference is, I do something about it. I will march in the streets. I will communicate to the world. I will undertake the previously untenable position of walking into a polling both and making my mark. You sit at home and rant.

You will never have interests as strong as mine because this England is not only the place of my birth, this green and pleasant land is the home and birthplace of my children and my Grandchildren. I will never refer to others as, 'these people', and yet it is my job to help educate people here in England where I live. I am not playing a game my friend and you have just handed in all of your cards.

[Gandalf]

I can see this post going where it's going but I have to get it out quickly. GB, you clown, I don't think you are a sheep at all, but sometimes I do. Just look at the realities of house ownership or student debt. You know the system is ruining young people. It is evil. No excuses. It is rotten and evil.

Otherwise, sell me your house for 80,000 pounds.

[Master]

I've always told the truth. I don't owe you any special explanations. From top to bottom I will spill blood. I don't care less about popular appeal or fun, I care about being honest at the point in time. If it isn't what you like then so be it. If it is, then so be it. You can play these games about enemies or cunts, but I think it is pathetic. And it makes me angry. I don't like it.

I'm not playing a game. I am annoyed with the UK, but I do still have interests just as strong as yours. That is my anger. It is seemingly impossible to educate these people.

The country you live in which you pay you taxes has it own and in some cases same problems.

I am sure there is a south korian teaching in the UK sprouting the same arguments you are putting about his country.

[Dia bando]

A vote for UKIP in next years election, would be for a party that wants to get rid of the NHS, Public
services they are nothing more, than Tory EU haters to be honest most people voted for UKIP
as a protest vote. Look at there policies what they stand for just a bunch of cunts, more rich
bastards lording it over us.

[Gandalf]

That last post might have sounded evil without the post of GB before it. I am not offering to buy his house. I would like to but I wont. I don't think any English home is worth 80,000 pounds. They try to lie, but it is lies. Lots of lies in that country.That is my main point. History will prove me correct.