Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Quote Originally Posted by miles
Quote Originally Posted by BIG H
Firstly Miles - you know what time it is!!

The point people make about Tyson's fights against Holyfileld and even as far back as Douglas don't really hold any merit in this argument as far as I am concerned. The questions is about Prime. Against Douglas, Tyson was a zombie, almost certainly on drugs and showed none of the attributes that made him what he was - he never did after that fight either.

People bring up Tucker causing him problems and Holmes causing problems, PLEASE wach those fights, Tucker caught Tyson with 1 decent punch and was pretty much outboxed for 12 rounds, Holmes came out dancing like Wayne Sleep in round 4 and landed a few jabs, but hardly something that was troubling Tyson. Fact is every great fighter even if their prime will be tested, but when did Tyson really look vunerable or anywhere remotely close to losing during those years?? I actually think Bonecrusher was his hardest fight during his prime and he still won that with ease!

I am not speaking as a fan cause I think the guys is a nob head, but if you really want to talk about primes you have to look at 1986-89, or else we should be looking at Larry Holmes v Butterbean and Muhammad Ali v Trevor Berwick.

BK you have said before that after the Spinks fight you had Tyson as number 2 on your all time list, you have also acknowledged that his prime ended in 89, so how can you now change your mind on a question based on primes, but paying credence to fights that happened when the guy was a zombie and after being incarcerrrated for 3 and a half years!!

It's all heresay that the trates he showed later in his career were already there, and if they were then the likes of Tony Tucker, Tyrell Biggs and a very clever great jabber like Pinklon Thomas would have been the ones to expose them, not Danny Williams and Kevin McBride.
If anybody can watch a Tyson fight form Douglas onwards and see the same fighter, with the great jab, great defence, awesome combinations, side to side head movement, lateral waist movement then you watched different fight to me

Deep breath Lol
Yep, its was way past my bedtime last night anyways. I went out for a few jars and then came home and found myself straight onto this thread having a few more cool ones. Ive really no right to tell people to find a hobby so sorry about that Mr IceCold. Im more friendly in the light of day ....

I still maintain that prime Tyson is too much for Prime Holmes.

Prime Tyson is possibly too much for most of the greats in boxing history and would certainly cause fits for many...

Prime Tyson is the one that took out Spinks with ease...a fighter that seemed to give a slightly post prime Holmes heaps of difficulties....

Its difficult arguing these points in these threads because a number of us who have been here a long while argue our same points either for or against Tyson and we do tend to get stuck into the trenches with it all....

Perhaps its easier to agree to disagree sometimes...

he wernt slighty past it he had been past it for long time yet he was 38 at time what makes me laugh that larry holmes was 38 heaviest he had been 2 weeks to train 2 year layoff and you say slighty past it but when tyson was 22 years of age undefeated and champion he was past it makes sense doesnt it
You obviously admire Holmes and fair play to you for that. We all have our favourite fighters.

Otherwise, you arent really making much sense to me with what you are saying. Different fighters peak and at different ages because of any variety of influences and factors. Lewis was arguably at his best as he matured into his 30's. Tyson was undoubtably at his best in his early 20's.