We need a clean up...

[Silkeyjoe]

Ward's last sensible fight was when? So many other guys have come up the pike since then, plus a resurgent Froch, you cant really say he is the overall man.

Cotto is NOT the man at MW. And this is where sanctioning bodies and officials cause this confusion. Cotto is lineal champ, he is not the top dog.

Dude just stop. Ward beat every other top guy and nobody wants to fight him he's so the man. Froch is resurgent, good for him he's one of my favorites but he said himself he doesn't want to fight Ward. Froch could resurge for years, without beating Ward it means nothing to who is the man at 68.

He beat a young, undefeated, highly ranked fighter in his last fight (6 months ago) the only super middle coming "up the pike" was Groves and he was beaten twice by Froch. Other guys in rankings, Froch, Chavez Jr, Abraham, Stieglitz, Rodriguez, Degale, Bika, Love, Dirrel. None of these have claims to being the Man at in the div. None would trouble Ward imo and looks to me like Ward is starting to have a similar problem to GGG where guys in his div dont want to fight him as there is more money fighting Froch, Kesseller or even Abraham.

[Ron Swanson]

Ward's last sensible fight was when? So many other guys have come up the pike since then, plus a resurgent Froch, you cant really say he is the overall man.

Cotto is NOT the man at MW. And this is where sanctioning bodies and officials cause this confusion. Cotto is lineal champ, he is not the top dog.

Dude just stop. Ward beat every other top guy and nobody wants to fight him he's so the man. Froch is resurgent, good for him he's one of my favorites but he said himself he doesn't want to fight Ward. Froch could resurge for years, without beating Ward it means nothing to who is the man at 68.

He beat a young, undefeated, highly ranked fighter in his last fight (6 months ago) the only super middle coming "up the pike" was Groves and he was beaten twice by Froch. Other guys in rankings, Froch, Chavez Jr, Abraham, Stieglitz, Rodriguez, Degale, Bika, Love, Dirrel. None of these have claims to being the Man at in the div. None would trouble Ward imo and looks to me like Ward is starting to have a similar problem to GGG where guys in his div dont want to fight him as there is more money fighting Froch, Kesseller or even Abraham.

Yeah. I read a thread on another site before the Froch/Groves rematch and they were discussing who GGG should fight if he decided to move up to 68. They listed Kessler(money but meaningless in the grand scheme), Chavez Jr(money but entirely meaningless), Froch, Groves(seriously), even Abraham(seriously). I get it money decides what people do but Abraham, Groves, Chavez Jr?! WTF is wrong with fans that they don't want the challenges? I'm not saying step right into a Ward fight but this was a list of all the fights to take before a Ward fight. They were laughing about freezing Ward out. Freezing out the top guy?! It's disturbed.